RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

Open Letter to Ron Coburn

That should cover it.;)

RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

Toby, now more than ever I see my opinion of you as being an ignorant POS is much more accurate than any firearm owned by anyone on these pages! [:@]

Toby you are beyond words. You claim to have put more shots through a ML10 than anyone on earth and admit that the rifle you blewup had over 30k shots put through it and that you LOVED the guns and thought they were the endall to smokepolin as we know it. That is until one blewup? Your full of BOOSHEUT Toby, plain and simple. And let me ask you this, you know damn well how much you overloaded and otherwise "tested" that gun. You placed OVER 30k shots through it. Yet you have the audacity to raise your head and call the gun and design a serious "fault" based on the results of one incident of your own making? Again let me tell you how full of boosheut you are! [:@]

Perhaps I need to remind the public here that the ATF and the CSPC are two entities that are EXPRESSLY anti-gun in the first place! Toby by your desiring to get either of them involved shows your own weakness for stoking your over-inflated ego at the expense of harming the overall firearms industry! You know you are DONE in this industry, so you dont mind who goes down in flames with you. Again you are more full of BOOSHEUT than ever before Toby Bridges!!! [:@]

As for getting Henry Ball and Savage in court? Well as was said, 1st off they haven't the time or desire to waste the money and resources to dismiss weakminded claims such as yours. Secondly, you continue to show your astounding intelligence when you offer to take ANY gunmaker to court. WAKE UP MORON, there isn't a court in the land that wants to find ANYGOOD for a firearms maker. Its as though they (the makers) are guilty by default. And damn' you know that Toby. You just know that by your own actions you have SCREWED yourself right out of any future jobs or acclaim in this industry so like the child that you are you are gonna cry wolf and piss in everyone elses cheerios because you crapped your own nest. I (and a WHOLE LOT of others) have your number moron! You aren't pulling the wool over our eyes.

Here again I must yield to the general consensus that Toby Bridges is full of BOOSHEUT!!!
RA

RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

I am not a fan of RW either. I put him right in your catagory. You too should be together.

RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

So let me get this straight, Bridges...you were still aggressively endorsing the 10ML-II in August of 2004, months after you supposedly blew the gun up that caused you to change your mind that the 10ML-II was, in your own words, you "now consider the 10ML II the most dangerous muzzleloader on the market." And just after you made the statements that Mr. Wakeman posted, you sent Henry Ball your blackmail email and revealed to the world the belated pictures of your blown up 10ML, along with a long "press release" about how dangerous the gun was, admitting that you had shot overloads in it, and giving us a sob story about how you were finally able to sleep at night, blah, blah, blah. That press release has since disappeared, replaced by more BS regarding your vendetta against Savage, Ron Coburn and the Ball's. I thought I had save a copy of it on my 'puter, but I can't find it. Maybe Randy Wakeman has a copy he could post for us to see.

Why do you refuse to address my questions here, Bridges? Why will you address questions via email, but not on a public forum? I thought you were so dearly concerned about the safety of unwary 10ML shooters that this was all a public service on your part. If so, this is your perfect opportunity to challenge those who disagree with you and prove your case once and for all. I think you realize that you don't have even a prima facie case against Savage, and that your anger and hatred for them has destroyed what was left of your integrity and objectivity.

Make no mistake about it, I have nothing to gain through my support of the Savage. I've investigated this matter and read all sides, and come to the conclusion that you and your story are so full of holes that every cork in France couldn't plug them all. If you can't answer these questions and back them up with facts, supported by some engineering credentials, then how do you plan one convincing a jury that you are right in a public trial? The council for the defendants are going to ask you the same questions I did and more, and will tear you apart piece by bloody piece far worse than anyone here can. So what say you, Bridges? Are you going to run and hide when the questions get tough and the audience doesn't eat up our crap, hook, line and sinker? If this is something you truly believe in, and have irrefutable evidence and truth on your side, why are you unwilling to address this? I just think that your ego just can't stand dissenting fact or opinion.

Mike

RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

Well, since I have no affiliation with Randy Wakeman, I'm not one of his "cronies" either. I will say that I have a great deal more faith in Mr. Wakeman's word than I do in yours, because he hasn't given me half a dozen reasons to question his integrity, nor has he impeached his own credibility like you have. I respect Mr. Wakeman's opinion because he appears to be both knowledgeable and credible. I could be wrong, but I don't believe that he has any vested interest for or against Savage et. al. like you do. As a writer he realizes that his integrity if his first and foremost interest, a fact you seem to have forgotten in your quest to revenge.

But since I am not his "crony," why don't you address my questions and concerns? I think you realize that the facts and evidence don't stack in your favor when viewed in a critical light. Your tactic is to use blind fear to get your way, but I'm not stupid enough to let fear rule my intellect. So let's have at it, shall we?

Mike

RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

driftrider...

E-mail me.

Randy Wakeman has been thrown off of plenty of message boards for a reason.

And muzzleloading is far too great a sport to allow a DWE like that to think he's in control of anything.

Toby

RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

Hardly. Randy was off hog hunting and just got back.


You need to do more research. From the ATF definitions:
Still firearms but not 4473 firearms. That's the way CSPC will look at it as defined by the ATF.

RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

Exactly, thats what I want to know. I was one of your faithful readers, and you really let alot of us down man.

Randy on the other hand, I have looked into his background too. He is neither a metalurgist, statistican, Quality engineer, a scientist, chemist or any man with the creditials to be making his claims he recklessly does.

RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

Why not discuss it with me here?

But neither does Toby Bridges. I've already asked him to give his credentials, and he's ignored my request and refuses to do so. On the other hand, Henry Ball is a master gunsmith that has been building guns for decades, and has been building and shooting custon smokeless muzzleloaders long before he and Savage got together to design and build a production gun. Savage employs both engineers and experienced gunsmiths in their R&D department. These are guys who have been designing guns for years, and have the education, experience and equipment necessary to build a safe and reliable firearm. Simply shooting 30k rounds doesn't make one a gunsmith, and certainly not an engineer. With that in mind, who has more credibility when speaking on a design issue in your mind? A dozen engineers and gunsmiths the designed and build both the first and second generation rifle, or a GUN WRITER paid to endorse the product who got fired when he refused to comply with Savage's bounds on load testing, blew up ONE gun with a load that cannot possibly be verified, after shooting THOUSANDS of loads through that same gun and thousands more through other 10ML and ML-II's (many of which he admitted were well beyond the published max loads), who continued to endorse the gun agressively months after he blew the gun up that supposedly made him do an about face on smokeless muzzleloading, and finally sent Henry Ball a pointed email demanding money for silence or their "patents won't be worth the paper they're printed on."

Who should I believe?

Mike

RE: Savage 10ML-II may have a big problem!!!
 

You need to look a LOT closer. With 24 years of industrial application sales engineering in bearings / pneumatics / hydraulics / lubrication / mechanical powder transmission / electrical power transmission / custom machining, and over sixty separate series of formal, accredited training degrees along the way-- it's not exactly my first rodeo.[:-]