Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
 

I shoot a TC Omega with 2 50 gr 777 pellets and a black Hornady sabot with 300 gr XTP HP bullets. With this combo I have killed several whitetails, 1 shot pass thrus out to 125 yds. How will this bullet hold up on an elk? I have a MZ elk hunt booked for the fall of '05
Some people say that pushing that pistol bullet fast ( 3 pellets of 777 @ 50 gr each) will break it up on impact....is that so?

RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
 

If the bullet box says XTP-Mag -- then I would trust it for elk. If not... then switch because Hornady makes a 300 gr XTP-Mag bullet.

Also... try switching to Harvester plastic sabots (50-pks). You'll see the continued accuracy & also easier loading.

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where do you get those Harvester sabots? I have a devil of a time getting my 3 and 4th shots seated that last 1 1/2" using that combo I've been loading for awhile now.
I just thought the hard seating was part of the game an pulled my breech plug every 4th shot and brushed it good. thanks WB

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Having difficulty the last inch or so with which power?

I would think the 300gr XTP should work good for elk, although I have not had the opportunity to go elk hunting. You may likely need to increase your powder charge to also increase the ballistic capability.

There are several on line here that hunt elk and should be able to offer some loading suggestions.

RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
 

Wingbar

I swab after every 2nd shot.

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If you want another good bullet that Triple Se7en was kind enough to turn me on to is the 375 grain Buffalo Bullet SSB sabot sold through Cabela's. I suggested that to another person who took a nice cow elk this year. He did not get pass through but if memory serves me, the elk only ran about 50 yards. It took her heart out and lungs out....They sure shoot excellent in my Black Diamond XR.

RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
 

How much powder (brand) are you using with those bullets? I'd like to try some out in my BD rifle too.

thanks!

RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
 

wingbar ,

A sabot that might work even better for you are the Nosler sabots. I use them and have used them for about 3 years now. They are slightly thinner than the Harvester. In fact they are about the only thing I can get down tight Thompson barrels. Not that expensive either... I shoot 100/110 grains of loose t7-2f and they work great. If you are shooting hotter loads than that you might need sub-bases...

http://www.wholesalehunter.com/produ...slerSabots.htm

I am quite confident that a 300 grain projectile will do just fine on an elk. I myself am using a 300 grain .458 (45/70) Nosler Partition with an Orange MMP sabot. I wish I could tell you I have first hand knowledge on this bullet, but no luck yet. Shot a few deer with the 260 grain Nosler and they really put a deer down.

With a 100 grains of t7 and a 300 grain bullet - you are getting around 1750fps at the muzzle - 50 yards 1600 fps & 1704 lbs of energy - @ 100 yds 1463 fps & 1426 fpe - 150 yds 1340 fps & 1195 fpe. If you are sighted in at 2.5" high at a 100 the drop at 150 yards is about an inch.

Good luck in your search..

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100 grains of Goex FFg & 375 Buffalo SSB is very accurate....

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I just shot a 475lb. cow elk with a 300gr. Hornady SST with a 90gr. charge of Black Mag3 which puts that bullet out the muzzle at about 1800fps. The elk was about 90 yards and slightly angled. Shot took out part of the liver and one lung went completely through. I have made a similar shot with a 295gr. Powerbelt aerotip with the same results complete pass through. The plastic tip bullets seem to have good penetration but I am not so sure the expansion is all that great. Possibly on a large bull the results would be a little different. I am considering going with an open hollow point next year if I get lucky enough to be drawn for the hunt.

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I am going to NW Colo. in the 3rd rifle season with OTC tags @$480 Nov 5-11.
I once shot a cow elk around 550# with my 45 Colt Ruger BH pistol using these 300 gr Hornady XTP Mag HP bullets at about 75 yds thru the lungs it was a pass thru shot and she went 100 yds before she dropped. That was at 1600fps out of that pistol, so I'm guessing 100 gr of 777 out of a 28' barrel should do the job out to 150 yds or so. WB

RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
 

wingbar,

Another 2cents, if you are going to spend that kind of money, it would really be my suggestion that you look at the Nosler .451 - 300 grain Protected Point Partition bullet, or the .458 Nosler in an MMP sabot. With this bullet even if you hit a big bone and strip the lead from the first cavity the lead and the copper of the second cavity will carry the bullet in for a deeper penetration.

This is a target I fired several months ago using 350 grain .485 Hornady's Hollow Points and the MMP sabot. After this I went back to 300 grains because Nosler only makes a 300 grain .458. and they shoot just as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...loader/458.jpg

In Colorado can you use Sabots? I thought they were a non-sabot state.

Like I have said before I am really sold on the results of Nosler Partitions, goes way back to the 1960's when i was a kid and my grandpa made use Nosler's for a hunting load.

I wish I could tell you about the good results of this bullet from a ML into an elk, but I can't yet. I can tell that a 260 grain Nosler Partition HP through the chest cavity of whitetails makes the cavity a soup bowl. The hydrostatic schock is devastating.

Good luck in that hunt - hunting season has only been over 2 weeks now and I am ready to start again...

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since your post I did a little research, in the MZ season they are not legal(sabots) but in the rifle season they are. At least that's the understanding I get from the imfo. I have found. I chose to go in the rifle season but use my TC Omega partly because of the OTC tags but mostly cause I have killed lots of game over the years and have had somewhat of a rebirtrh into hunting since I began hunting with a MZ.
The only non saboted bullets I ever used and then it was in a .50 cal flintlock were the TC Buffalo prelubed @320gr. Do you think I could shoot them in the Omega?
like I mentioned earlier all I've ever shot in this 50 cal Omega was these pistol bullets and black hornady sabots the accuracy is superb.

Thanks for all the great imfo guys!

RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
 

If you need a big conical that will shoot out of your Omega and work on elk I would suggest getting a box of 460 grain .503 diameter No Excuses conicals. I shoot them out of my Black Diamond XR with excellent results. I think they would have some real stopping power to them. Also start them with about 85 grains of T-7 or Goex FFFg and the accuracy is excellent.


No Excuses Conicals can be found at this site....

RE: Hornady 300gr XTP HP for elk
 

wingbar,

Thought that might be the case, during regular rifle season, I hunted all season that way also. I have totally given up on hunting with centerfire, it is like I have done that forever so this new challenge of the ML has taken over. It use to be that I HAD to get an elk every year, but now it really is all about recreation and enjoying what I am doing.

I do not own and have not shot an Omega, but what I have read about them - it will do the job. Some people complain about the barrel being to tight to get sabots down. If that is the case with yours you might try these Nosler Sabots - they are slightly tinner than the Harvester and somewhat thinner than the MMP - HPH24 or the Hornady.

http://www.wholesalehunter.com/produ...slerSabots.htm

I agree with you on the BC of the pointed bullets - SST and etc. but I have rationalized that at the speed a ML bullet is traveling and the distances shot it is a wash-out so I keep on using the HP's and Partitions.

The No-Excuse Cayuagd posted is an excellent lead bullet and the numbers on it work out real well but, when it comes to shooting a 460 grain vs 300 grain - I'm taking the 300 flatter and a heck of a lot quicker to the target. Plus I really like the cutting that sharp copper does as it passes through tissue.

Again good luck...