ML Omega shopping tommorow?
 

I haven't shot ML in yrs.I am sold on an Omega,what powder and what bullets will give me accuracy ,cleanliness and easy loading.What else do I leave with cause the store is a long way off.Solvent patches rods speed loaders ???Thanks in advance for your quick reply.
all the best,
lizzzard

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I have a stainless Omega .50 and I can tell you what works for me. My recommendation in decending order for Powder is"Black Mag3(difficult to find but absolutely the best for me;clean and powerful),American Pioneer Powder fffg only not ffg, Pyrodexfffg or ffg, Pyrodex pellets next, Real black powder if you can find it,Triple Seven is not recommended by me as it causes a pretty bad crud ring in my rifle and more than I care to deal with. Bullets in same order: Powerbelts 295gr. or heavier shoot well in my rifle and load easy (most expensive however), Hornady 300gr. bullet/sabot (may be difficult to load-tight bore), Same goes for the T/C brand of bullet/sabot (they keep changing the thickness of the sabots), Any of the pure lead conicals load easier than sabots, shoot well and are cheaper, may not perform as well on some game. Primers same order: CCI, Remington,Winchester, Do not buy Federal (they are way too hot and help to cause crud ring). Get a lot of patches for cleaning, Buy some Windex clear kind without amonia at the grocery store (works to clean most synthetic powders), Get a couple of brass brushes, cleaning jag, loading jag to fit bullet you decide on, Stronger and longer cleaning rod (one on rifle is too short to use easily, Pick up a range rod to load when shooting at the range as you need a longer stronger rod when shooting a lot. This is just a start but you said quick.

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I also use the red (.50cal) speedloaders from T/C they work well for me. If using loose powder which I do the clear plastic tube things don't work with loose powder, neither do the speedloaders from CVA both are for pellets only.

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I currently shoot 240 grain T/C mag express sabots and T/C cheap shot sabots with 110 grains of 777. Precision Rifle's .44 cal. 260 grain Dead Center(expensive and must order in my area) sabots also shoot great. I plan to try some Black Mag powder after hunting season is over. The 777 shoots great but as MLKeith stated earlier, it does seem to cause a bad crud ring in my rifle.

I think you will be pleased with the Omega, especially after you shoot it!

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Done shopping,bought a Kodiak,the feel the breech loading and the price made me do it.Thank you all for your help

lizzzard

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You won't never find an Omega for $200. The reason is accuracy, quality, warranty & consumer satisfaction.

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Keep us informed as to how the rifle performs. I have seen a couple of posts that say they are getting very good results with the Kodiak. I handled one in Wallyworld and was impressed for the price. I would keep loads below the 120gr. level even though they claim 150gr. I never load my Omega that stiff either. My elk went down with 90gr. loads of Black Mag3 under 300gr. bullets. Shot completely through chest cavity at 90 yards.

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PS: check the front of the trigger guard to stock "Pinch area" and smooth the sharp edge off with a file before you cut a finger opening the action. I almost did in Walmart.

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Well I'm apprehensive about buying the Kodiak after firing her today.I shot several primers to warm her up and had one or two misfires.Loaded it and shot maybe 4 rounds with 2 misfires.I don't want a 1/2 dented primer near me and if I hunt with this gun and it happens while I'm locked in on the big one,I'm not gonna be happy.I'm using CCI primers,which I used for yrs trapshooting.The only other design problem I see with the Kodiak and a scope the hammer is obscured and with gloves could be a problem.

Does anyone have a fix for misfires? Could another brand of primer help?Recoil is not bad 100gr.t7 pellets and a .245 HP.Can hit a box at 40yds.but that is offhand,the bench sighting will happen when the wind quits and it warms up a bit.

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Couple of possibilities. If it is really cold; possibly the lube on the action is slowing the hammer down enough to cause light hits. I would clean the action and lube with good light oil that has some friction reducing additive. You might try Winchester primers as they have been working well for me in my Omega. I also shot some Remington primers which shot well. Federals shoot good but are too hot to use with 777 powder. If this continues I would contact CVA and see what they have to offer. Sorry to hear initial problems but we all have had some one way or another.

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mrlizzard, I also replied to the crud ring post.
I was not aware that you were experiencing mis-fires as a result of the primer itself not firing.
Could be you have a bad batch of primers.
Try a different MFG Winchester, Remington, etc..
If still misfiring primers;
Firing pin engagement/alignment/issue here.
Potentially dangerous situation - as whenever a misfire coccurs we change our position from pointing it at an intended target while handling the weapon to inspect the misfire. During this moment the weapon can discharge resulting in an accident or firing the weapon in a non-intended direction.
You should not have to switch primers to find one that your weapon will fire.

If possible, return the weapon to your point of purchase for an exchange.

Or Call CVA.

Don't hunt with this weapon if still misfiring.

Best,

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CVA said it may be a problem but to switch primers which I will I may lube it some but it happend brand new with just primers also.Gander said they would look at it and exchange it if I wanted.CVA said whatever I wanted to do would be fine.When it did shoot I grouped 8" at 100yds off hand in the cold I was shaking,so I'm ok with it.Load is 100gr.T7 and 245HP's.

Heres how I'm shooting it,3 shots dry swab couple patches,shoot 3 more dry swab again.Come home dry swab then add cleaner to swab clean it good to the breach and clean breeech plug,lightly oil and put Gorilla on the breech threads.Is that satisfactory? I know for end of season what I must do but I just want to do so
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you folks are wonderful,
lizzzard

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After thinking more about it I'd have Gander Mountain exchange the weapon versus buying more primers or trying to lube the trigger-firing pin.

In the field or at the range...
I always spit patch, flip that patch and run it again.
Then alcohol patch.
Then dry patch.
Result is a really clean and dry bore which is what you want for sabots.

I also always detail clean after firing my weapons including barrel flushing and wire brushing. There is more about that in the post "Barrel Cleaning and Flushing"

IMHO
Best,

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Thanks for cleaning tip,at the range, how many rounds between cleanings?

thx
lizzzard

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I do that routine after EVERY shot.
I'm real particular on consistancy and that procedure gives me the best consistancy and the easiest loading.

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mrlizzzard,

Hello.....new here....

Following a great Christmas, I received a Kodiak as well and I thought I'd pass along some limited findings with it, as well as past experience with CCI's and their tech's.
I did a lot of research regarding the Kodiak after I had got it for Xmas, and I found that CVA had encountered a lot of trouble in the past with barrel construction from the Spanish Manufacturer's. I guess, from what I had read, they were claiming "Magnum" status, but weren't proof tested to such pressures.
I quit hunting blackpowder several years back and now that I'm returning to it using an inline, it's pretty much a newer realm.
Basically CVA/BPI copied the TC Omega with the Kodiak and sell it under those names, as well as Winchester. I liked the Kodiak, but I had previous experience with CVA's that was so-so and I decided to do a little homework.
My wife, who bought the gun for me for Xmas, said that if I didn't like it, I could exchange it for what I wanted. I decided to review the data on the Kodiak, and the TC Omega.
Being that the Kodiak was a copy, and that I was very familiar with TC products and quality, after several hours of research I decided to exchange to the Omega.
Not that I doubt that the Kodiak wouldn't be a good option for the money, it's just a few phobia's based on what I've heard & experienced with CVA.

Besides, the write ups on the Omega from regarding accuracy were MOA capable on a consistant basis.
That's just me, and nothing against the Kodiak per se'.

Regarding the primer misfires;
I've had several bad experiences regarding CCI's over the years, and although I used to use them exclusively (and still would if I could), I had to quit them due to misfire problems.
Mainly the problems arose regarding handgun load work, i.e., TC Contender, Encore & various Revovlers.
I do a considerable amount of load development and bullet casting/fabricating, and have been at it for the last 35yrs. I just couldn't afford the chance of a problem here.
But being bothered by the problems, I contacted CCI's Tech. Dept. and spoke with them about the problem. They admitted that it could be a problem with lighter hammer strikes due to their tolerances. He explained that primer manufacturer's have an accepted cup thickness range that they all use. He advised that CCI forms their cups on the upper limits of this range, therefore they are thicker and because of that, harder to fire, even slightly so.

Once struck, usually the priming compound crumbles into the case/or powder charge and won't fire on a second hit. Sometimes it does if the compound hasn't been disturbed.

Knowing that the Kodiak/Omega have small hammers & shorter throws, I'm sure this is the problem.
A switch to Winchesters will clean that issue up for you I think.

I thought about using some Triple 7, and although I've read that Pyrodex pellets, although not as hot, provide better consistency due to their black powder acceleration coatings, I guess I'll have to try them both.
Black Mag is new to me and it's nice to read positive reports on it from this site! Gotta try a can as well, if I can find it.

Sorry so long winded........1st time.

Take care,
Bob

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Hi gunr,
I am gonna keep my Kodiak,after going to Win. primers I'm back in love.I doubt if I'll be shooting magnum loads as I use T7 100gr. pellets.I am aware of the quality of T/C Omega but this rifle costs 2 times what the Kodiak costs.I got a good scope and am shooting 4"groups at 100yds offhand.I also have a four day muzzle season and I hunt in some rough stuff.I will switch to Black Magic when I find some and the Harvesters are in my future.

I read lotsa posts in forums and people do complain about the tightness of the Omega's and some find them hard to load.There is no question about T/C being superior but for my needs and the ease of cleaning I'm keepin the spaniard.

all the best,
lizzzard

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lizzard,

I guess were pretty much on the the same page of music there. My Kodiak cost $269 from WallyWorld (where my wife works), and the Omega in SS/Hardwoods synth cost $389 internet (best price I could find).
If I were to buy the basic blue on black Omega, it probably would've been a difference of only a few bucks.

A couple of cans of BM3 will be my next search........

Let me know how the accuracy pans out.....

Take care,
Bob

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lizzard,

I wasn't too much against the Kodiak as I thought (and still do) that it's a nice gun for the money. I even questioned, for a moment or two, whether I really needed to spend the extra money for the Omega, and just settle with what I already had.

Even after ordering it, but before it got here, I still had reservations.........that is until it arrived about 30 mins ago (thanks UPS) and I got to handle it.......great feel factor!
Believe me....considering the sights, trigger pull, and the fit & finish of the overall gun, even down to the regular swivel studs instead of the integral ones on the Kodiak, I have no regrets at all.

For what it's worth, in my particular situation or opinion, the extra money was well spent.

I guess "Triple Seven" was correct regarding this one.



I'm not poo-pooing your decision lizzard, just enthusiastic over my choice and passing it along from one "inline greenhorn" to another.


Happy Shootin'
Bob

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gunr,
Looks like a beauty,I'm envious.I've cleaned mine tonight and put it to bed,seasons over,no venison.Getting the xbow ready again.Good luck with the big O stay in touch.

lizzzard

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Every once in a while, I get a post right Handgunr... lol. T/C makes my recommendation easy by building the Omega almost-entirely correct. There are two minor flaws like the hammer must be cocked to fit your heavy glove index finger because the guard is smallish. The synthetic stock is not the best & needs to be filled with Great Stuff poly-foam spray & two bolts thrown in the stock for better balance & branch-banging quietness.

By-The-Way.... how was that bowl of soup the day you opened that Omega box??? Was that only chicken broth (or) was there a few drowned noodles in there too?...lol

Whut?... no crackers are present .... geez! I gotta have that soup with either oyster crackers, Cheese-Its or Saltines broken-up. Gosh... I'm hungry now after looking at your soup. Thanks alot....lol

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T7.........

LOL............no soup there, just my wife's plate and centerpiece bowl from her Xmas table display. Laughingly, I had to go back and check the photo cause I thought maybe I had left my dirty dishes in the pic.....hehehe.....can you say embarrassing!
I like a big bowl for soup (cause I love the stuff), but that one would be like a dog drinking out of the toilet....holds about a gallon:)

I read something back awhile ago about foaming the stock on their Omega (maybe it was you). I know a buddy that owns a business that develops hydraulic systems & tables for Kodak. He has a very dense rubber that is a heavy liquid, but it hardens after several hours. This not only would deaden sound immensly, it would also add weight to the rear of the stock offsetting the imbalance problem. Maybe it's cost prohibitive, I don't know, but I gotta ask and see.
I got some hand me down leftover pyrodex pellets and a few sabots from my hunting buddy "Uncle Dennis".
We donate to each other's causes quite often, and he felt sorry for me...new gun & no powder or sabots:(.

Gotta get to my supplier for stuff to get shootin'
Thanks for the post............


Bob

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Bob

I never acquired the synthetic Omega. I'm not sure if you can get that rubber foaming in there. There may only be small openings once you remove the pad.

I'd suggest measuring the hollow cavity with a retractable measurer. Buy a couple of 3/8th bolts about 1-1/2" shorter than you measured. Slip the bolts in .. then shoulder for weight gain. Now either add bolts or remove one. Go buy a spray can of Great Stuff poly-foam with long nozzle. If you can, tape the bolts... if not.. no big deal. Spray until the bolts are covered. Use a thin piece of cushion foam to make-up the gap difference between the Great Stuff and recoil pad.

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I must really be strange as I have the synthetic stock Omega and I don't seem to notice any "unbalance" problems. Maybe it is because my rifle has a scope sling and a simms recoil pad. Mine seems to be heavy enough although without the recoil pad heavy loads definately make you uncomfortable. I prefer to save the weight for carrying and I never notice the recoil when hunting. With the simms pad the recoil is fine up to 100gr. of BM3 and 300gr. bullets which makes just about 2000fps. I guess everybody has different problems.

RE: ML Omega shopping tommorow?
 

MLKeith

I never said the rifle was heavily inbalanced. I do know my laminated was heavier & better balanced than the synthetic when I held both in the store. If my laminate Omega is a little nose-heavy, then I'm sure the synthetic could use the improvement. Take off the Simms Pad. Hold the Omega with two fingers in front of trigger guard. I prefer my rifles to "somewhat" balance with index/middle fingers put there. Odds are, one six inch 3/8th's bolt with the spray will better balance yours. Because I'm not 100% sure since I don't own the synthetic, it may take two bolts to balance.

Nobody on this forum has complained about a bad Omega balance problem. In order to quiet the loud stock, the pad must be removed. Once the pad gets removed, then it makes sense to kill two birds with one stone & add "nice" balance to the rifle while you got the pad off.

My former Traditions Tracker needed 2 lbs of bolts to balance. The little 22" went from 6 lbs to 8 lbs. It did improve felt recoil a bunch too.

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Thanks for the tip T7..........

That rubber I mentioned pours in just like goo. It fills just about every nook & cranny, and it dries in about two or three days. It's a very dense rubber like an old super ball and provides considerable weight. Both the rubber itself, and the extra weight of it, would reduce felt recoil by quite a bit.
I've got the Great Stuff and after I pull the gun apart, I'll check it all out.
Got to shoot her first though........:)

Thanks for the suggestion.

Bob

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You are probably right about no complaints on this site for balance, but I have seen other sites where that is one of the complaints. The extra weight would sure help the recoil but with the simms pad and the fact that I only shoot about 100gr. charges with 300gr. bullets I am OK with it as is and I don't have to carry the extra weight when hunting (just lazy I guess).