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I shoot a Remington 700 ml.I recently switched it over to 209 primers,and I started using 777 at the same time.I notice with this combo,it has a distinctive double bang.The nipple is clean.Any ideas why this is happening?

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it sounds like your gettting a hang fire for some reason. I have never shot the 209 primers, but my understanding is they throw more fire then the #11's. All I could think to check is make sure there is no oil or residue in the rifle before loading, and pick the nipple good before you fire. If it keeps up, change back to the way it was and see if it corrects the problem.... good luck

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i just got a rem 700ml a couiple of weeks ago and using 209 primers and 777 I havent had a double bang or a hang fire yet and ive used about half a pound of 777 so far. Send an email to Remington and see if they can help you out

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I have the same gun I switched to 209 using the cabelas kit and use winchester primers with no problems. However my buddy did the same with the rem. kit and federal primers he has complained of the same thing. (This is with T7 pellets) I don't think it is the converstion kit as I know others with no problems, I suspect the primers or powder may be the source of the problem. I have tried to get him to try my primers and powder but he is too p'd right now, so I can't give you clear idea if my theory is at all practical[&:] I suggest you try to eliminate one thing at a time until you get back to where you started. The primer thing is the cheapest and easiest, then go from there.

Good Luck and let us know how you make out.

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I went out today and shot once with the 777 pellets,and got a hangfire.I put the regular pyrodex pellets in and it was fine.I also had it not go off at all once with the 777 pellets.The first pellet was even black from where the primer went off.
Too bad,I really liked the clean up with the 777. Thanks

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It almost sounds as if the pellets are contaminated. Have they been exposed to moisture?

I'd almost say try another box of pellets before you make up your mind, but that's pretty expensive if the gun or primers are the culprit.

If it works with loose powder, I'd just suggest you use loose powder. It's a great deal cheaper anyway, and you can fine tune your loads.

Mike

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eb

Hodgdon has great customer service. Email them & tell them about your hang/misfires. As long as you did not get them wet, they will send you a container to place the remaining pellets in -- then send them back free of charge.

There is a binding agent in the pellets that keeps the grains intact. They may have applied too much (or) you may some Pyrodex mixed in with your 777. It's happened before... both powders are bottled & pelletized under one roof.

Around 10 days after you ship the contaminated pellets, you will likely receive 2-pks of new pellets to replace the one pack that went bad.

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I have the same gun a remington model 700 I switched it to 209 and got a double fire also but I was trying the pellets. I switched back to regular Pyrodex and have had no problems. I also kept the weather shield on it says not recommended but I have had no problems yet. I am not a big fan of the pellets at all.

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No,they didn't get wet or mixed up with my pyrodex.I just got the 777 pellets when I got the 209 conversion and hadn't got the pyrodex out of the box since then.I will try to e mail them though.Thanks

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Just an update:The people at hodgdon said that the problem was my 209 conversion kit.It has slots in the sides of the basket that holds the primers,which wastes to much energy to get a good ignition.He said there are other conversions available that will work fine.Thanks for all the input.

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Interesting I wonder if Remington will replace the nipple for us? I just converted over last week. I didnt have the problems when I use regular Pyrodex just with the pellets?

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I e mailed Remington about it yesterday,so I'll keep you posted when they reply.

It probably wouldn't hurt if anyone else having the same problems e-mailed them also,so they knew it's not just an isolated problem.

www.remington.com

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My friend & I both have the Rem. 700 ML and both switched to the Triple 7 this year (for cleaning purposes). He started getting double bangs and thought his pellets may have picked up some moisture. He switched back to his Pyrodex and had no problems as it fired just fine. I didn't have any problems initially, but just yesterday started getting hang fires and double bangs. After some reluctance, I switched back to the Pyrodex pellets and my problems are gone.

Therefore, at least in both our situations we concluded that it must be the Triple 7 pellets.

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Yea,they said the 777 takes more to set off.I'd like to try a different nipple to see if it worked any better.

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Well, I also own the Remington 700 Muzzleloader.

I am also a victim of the double bang when using the Triple 7 pellets, but I do not have any problem when using the granulated Triple 7.

Therefore, in my opinion, the problem is with the pellet version of Triple 7.

eb, I would like to hear from you if you find that Remington makes a different nipple for the Model 700 muzzleloader.

Also Please Note!

The pellets had a different point of impact than the granulated. And I'm not talking a small difference either...it was about 3 inches! In other words, I'd have to sight the gun in twice...once if I want to shoot pellets and and 2nd time if I want to shoot granulated.

Bottom line:

Triple 7 sucks in my opinion. I will not be buying any more of it.

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vc1111, you can get a kit from Cabela's for the 700ML. I installed this one this fall and had no issues(double bang, accuracy,etc) with T7 in pellet or loose form.

Here is the nipple which you can buy seperately for $15 US via cabela's. It works with the breech but wether the firing pin mech is the same as a rem factory kit I don't know for sure but would assume so! (I'll post both pics)

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This the complete kit for around 40.00 bucks via cabela's.

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Hey, skeeter, thanks for taking the time to give me all that info. I will ck it out. I appreciate your effort.

One question...

Does you Remington 700 ML have the same point of impact when firing the Triple 7 granulated vs the Tr pellets?

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Is that "fork"for getting the spent primers out?Looks like a better nipple than in the remington kit.It doesn't have all the slots cut in the side of it.

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vc1111, I had trouble with the loose for some reason in T7 holding a tight group, so I just stuck with the pellet form for this year. The POI with 100/100 was pretty close though. I am by no means an expert on T7 as this is my first year trying the powder, personally I found the pellets to be fine and will try the loose again to see if i can't develop a load. The only real benefits I have found is clean up and flatter trajectory with T7(about 2" at 200 yards, although I max my range at 150 the difference was closer to 3/4+ 150 vs Pyrodex). I used the same bullet as previous the Hornady 240Gr XTP's. Did try a few other but this bullet has yet to let me down in the field or on the range. I will say guys seem to either love T7 or hate it, I have a couple buddies who switched back to pyrodex for various reasons. I like to tinker with load combo's so I am used to starting over and obviously at going back to what worked previosly. Right now I think the T7 is a good choice, but is it much better than Pyrodex well the jury is out IMO. 100 grains of pyrodex has taken 8 animals for me in the 700 ML and T7 100 grains only 1. If I experienced any problems I would have no hesitations of going back to Pyrodex or even number 11's. I hunt(prime concern) with my ML and if it isn't bringing me confidence I simply won't use it for a little less elbow grease or ark. Just my 2 cents worth...go with what works best and forget all the hype. It is ok to experiment though and try to find equal to or better choices, just don't think you have to b/c others say it is the best since slice bread! Good Luck. Your welcome, no trouble at all...hope it helps.:)

eb, yes the fork is designed as a pick to remove the 209 primer and works fine. Nope pretty much solid, maybe it is part of the problem, I know my buddy had the same double bang with the rem kit and I haven't with this kit. Worst part of the cabela's kit is you have take the whole bolt assembly apart(not just unscrew like the rem kit) and that little pin that holds the firing pin in place is a B%tch to get out...lots of swear words used that evening.

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fire a couple 209's in it before you put in your first load of powder.

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Hey Skeeter, I'm trying to find that replacement nipple in Cabelas...can't seem to find it.

Do you have a catalog part number?

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Skeeter was that kit for the remington Ml ? mine kit looked different than that and it had 2 or 3 different nipples with it? My kit had the remington logo on the package?

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That kit is made for the 700 by Cabelas.It's not the same as the one sold by remington.I think I'm gonna try that nipple with mine to see if it works.

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Good Luck, hope it helps.

Goldenhawk,

No that kit is made for the 700ML but not by Rem. It is different than the conversion or pre installed kit by Rem. It can be ordered from cabelas website and possibly others as well...not sure. It isn't a Cabela's only product as I ordered through a ML distrubitor here in canada, not cabela's.

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The nipple is on backorder right now.

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eb - I see that Skeeter 7MM was able to eliminate the "Double Bang" problem with his Cabelas 209 conversion kit. When you spoke to Hodgdon and they told you there were conversion kits on the market that would eliminate this problem with the 700 ML. Did they give you the names of these companies and the kits with their model numbers ? This information would benefit all of us who own a 700 ML !!! Thank You, DeerMe

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They didn't say ,but I'm sure that's the one they were refering to.The cabelas nipple doesn't have all those slots around the sides to let the spark out like the remington nipple does.
A friend of my dads had one during the muzzleloader season and you could tell a difference just by looking at them side by side.I wish I would have tried his nipple with my gun to see if that would have worked.

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Eb - Well I think the least expensive thing I can try at this point is the Cabelas nipple which I will order. I would like to thank everyone who helped with a comment regarding this problem. I hope all of the 700Ml owners get this resolved before next season !!! Sincerely, DeerMe