CVA Accura
 

I'm considering upgrading from my 20 plus year old Knight LK-93 with the #11 cap to a CVA Accura with the 209 primer. Any advice from the crowd? Any others I should consider? Thanks

What powder are you going to use? Had any problems with the #11 cap? Will the 209 primers be easier to insert than capping with a capper?

For a new Accura you are likely to spend at least $500. If I were you, I would first look again at Knight. According to their website you can pick up a Disc Extreme on sale for $350. That is a very good rifle. For another $50-100 you can pick up a conversion breech plug so you don't need the plastic discs, and you have a very, very good rifle.

Nothing against the Accura, but I think the Knight Extreme is a better muzzleloader.

The Lehigh bare primer plug for the Knight DISC Extreme is under $50 shipped. So total (with shipping) you would have about $450 in a DISC Extreme with a Timney trigger and Made in the USA. If you want a cheaper rifle look at the CVA Optima V2. Its well under $300 and a good rifle for that kinda money.
https://www.muzzleloaders.com/produc...-muzzleloader/

You need both of these parts to convert the Extreme to bare primer. About $31 + around $8 to ship. Add another $22 if you want a extra pack of vent liners and you are set for many years of shooting.
https://sskfirearms.lehighdefense.co...product_id=258
https://sskfirearms.lehighdefense.co...product_id=259

4 extra vent liners. The breech plug comes with one.
https://sskfirearms.lehighdefense.co...product_id=282

I'm currently using 80 grains of loose 777 and either a 220 Grain Dead Center bullet or a 240 grain Extreme Elite bullet, both from Precision Rifle.

Ok, that's definitely some food for thought. I was really shying away from the plastic jackets. I do love my Knight. The accuracy with the Green Mountain Barrel is almost unbelievable!

Once concern I have is the possible demise of Knight ML's. I see so little from them anymore. It concerns me that they might disappear before long?? Is there any insight in the Muzzleloading world concerning this?

You will like the Accura over the Knight for sure. Night and day difference. I have a CVA Optima (1 model level below Accura) and I also have a Knight lk-93 converted to 209 primers. The Knight shoots great but its a pain in the butt compared to the optima to load. The Accura is a upgrade to the Optima and I have gotten 1" groups with my Optima using blackhorn powder and 240g XTP bullets. I would expect the same or better from the Accura. If you get one with a kronos scope plan on upgrading it. They don't take bumps to well.

A DISC Extreme is nothing like a LK. It has an actual firing pin and a closed breech ignition. Far nicer stock, recoil pad and fully adjustable real Timney trigger. I would not even consider an Accura unless it was a MR or maybe a PR model. Cant imagine how its a pain to load. Ive been loading DISC based Knights for ages with no problems. Add the Lehigh bare primer kit and its simple to make the breech stay nearly spotless. Very BH209 powder friendly too. Works great even with a standard Win209. No mag primer needed. Been using them for years in Lehigh plugs and not a single FTF.

gt2003, as GMhas indicated I would suggest you take a look at the Knight DISC Extreme. This rifle is a big advancement beyond the LK. With this rifle you can use different ignition systems including the 209 and it can be made to to have a clean breech are after shooting. The LK was never really design to shoot with 209 ignition. Also with the DISC you can shoot any of the BP's and BP subs you choose.

I would suggest if you were to consider the DISC order it with Red Plastic Jacket ignition and then convert that to the Lehigh breech plug, vent liner, and Primer adapter.

This is my Western Version of the DISC



The rifle shoots awesome!



Same rifle set up as for regular rifle season.



This pic shows the rifle with primer adapter installed.


This pic with the primer dropped in to the Primer Adapter.


When you get the rifle setup complete - this is what the spent primers look like.

My LK-93 converted to 209 primers is a pain to load because it requires the red plastic jacket so I need the tool they make to easily load and unload the jacketed primer.

wooooooow very good

And you dont need any of that using what i mentioned. The DISC Extreme is a much different rifle with 2 options for using a bare primer. Knight even offers a bare primer bolt you can buy for $85ish at Sportsmans Warehouse.

wow I wish I would have done my homework before I got my Rem 700ml ! With the rifle and the Badger Ridge bolt/breech plug I'll have close to $500 into it. Not counting the scope. Oh well. I'm sure the 700 will serve me well.

"And you dont need any of that using what i mentioned. The DISC Extreme is a much different rifle with 2 options for using a bare primer. Knight even offers a bare primer bolt you can buy for $85ish at Sportsmans Warehouse."

I know that knight has better ML. I have the LK and the OP specifically asked about the LK and CVA. I have both and gave my 2 cents. The DISC is probably a fine shooting rifle and would be a good option for the OP without the hassles of the converted LK.

I noticed that this question has not been answered and I honestly cannot give you any real intelligence on this. Knight folded once in the past and the current owners do seem to vary in their customer service, with COVID certainly not helping matters. Others may have more info.

That being said, the Extreme platform is pretty bulletproof in my experience. Once you have a load dialed in, assuming you keep your rifle maintained, I would not think there is much that goes wrong. It is a common enough platform that replacement parts should be pretty available no matter what.

I guess I should have done some homework before I bought my used 700ml. I just may have purchased a Disc Extreme. Oh well I'm sure it will serve me well.

He said he was upgrading FROM a LK. He asked about the Accura and ............

At the current cost of both the Extreme even with the additional cost of the Lehigh kit is a deal.

Actually GM I just ordered a Disc Extreme Xtra Straight from Knight yesterday and the sale price was $349 + $38.50 excise tax + $45 shipping for a total of $430. I also ordered the Lehigh Defense SSK 209 bolt face and bare primer BP (and a pack of vent liners) with shipping for $65.
That's a lot cheaper than going with the Knight conversion kit which is now up to $131 + shipping.

Sportsmans was about $85 for the Knight kit. If you only need the bolt body it was around $65 from Knight and $15 shipping also. It literally takes less than a minute to install your bolt internals into a bare primer bolt body.

I appreciate the info GM but my Lehigh parts have already been shipped and from what I've heard these are very good also. Plus its a quick and easy swap out if for some reason I need to go to the red plastic jacket.

Personally, i prefer the Lehigh NFPJ adapter to the Knight bare primer bolt. I have both. I find the adapter a bit easier to load the primer and if a primer should stick its simple to remove. Just recock the rifle and dry fire the spent primer again. Then it falls right out. The bare primer bolt is tighter around the part the holds the rim. If its sticks its a little more tedious to remove the primer. Both work very well when setup correctly. IdahoLewis has a good walk through video on shimming the plug if needed. None of mine needed it if i used long primers like a Win209. Short primers like a Rem STS will need to be shimmed. Its pretty simple to do.

Just remember, if you shim the primer pocket for a short primer and then use a longer primer....They will get VERY tight and hard to close the bolt. .003-.005 is a good crush range for primers with about .006 being absolute max. So if you set it up for say a [email protected] crush and then use a Win209 you will be close to .005-.006 crush.

https://www.huntingnet.com/forum/bla...eech-plug.html

I won't be doing anything with the shimming until I see how it is first. And knowing what primers I will be using. That is the problem during this shortage. Hopefully I can get a brick of primers and be set for a while.