American Pioneer Powder is Back in Business & Available
10-08-2020, 08:40 PM
#11
Giant Nontypical
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I love it when you quote a page to make a point and leave out the tidbits like.
And when you scroll down to the fps comparison
APP 2FG 34gr
580fps High
508fps Low
ES 72 but their math says 82
SD 30
Triple7 2FG 34gr
898fps High
829fps Low
ES 69
SD 27
So its MUCH slower and worse ES/SD then Triple7 yet Triple7 has all the advantages of the APP...according to the link YOU quoted.
Hodgdon 777 
This powder was designed for hunters trying to get more volume. It is really hot, 15% hotter than Goex 2F, for example.
It has all of the advantages of APP above.
This powder was designed for hunters trying to get more volume. It is really hot, 15% hotter than Goex 2F, for example.It has all of the advantages of APP above.
APP 2FG 34gr
580fps High
508fps Low
ES 72 but their math says 82
SD 30
Triple7 2FG 34gr
898fps High
829fps Low
ES 69
SD 27
So its MUCH slower and worse ES/SD then Triple7 yet Triple7 has all the advantages of the APP...according to the link YOU quoted.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 10-08-2020 at 08:52 PM.
10-10-2020, 02:00 PM
#12
Typical Buck
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Central Connecticut
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I didn't leave out anything since I provided the link to the page where you read it.
And I provided a reference link to the rest of Gander's photos which you didn't post a link to where you found them.
There's plenty of other velocity data about APP.
Check put some velocity and accuracy results that Curtrich did using a Ransom rest and Oehler chronograph.
For some reason, some of the loads with the lowest ES had the worst accuracy compared to the higher ES loads that had the best accuracy,
Perhaps heat, fouling or the APP pressure curve is involved. --->>> http://www.curtrich.com/0714APPPremiumGradeTest.html
And I provided a reference link to the rest of Gander's photos which you didn't post a link to where you found them.
There's plenty of other velocity data about APP.
Check put some velocity and accuracy results that Curtrich did using a Ransom rest and Oehler chronograph.
For some reason, some of the loads with the lowest ES had the worst accuracy compared to the higher ES loads that had the best accuracy,
Perhaps heat, fouling or the APP pressure curve is involved. --->>> http://www.curtrich.com/0714APPPremiumGradeTest.html
Last edited by arcticap; 10-10-2020 at 02:04 PM.
10-27-2020, 09:47 AM
#13
Typical Buck
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Jedediah Starr and Jade-Inc.org also has APP in stock.
1. https://www.jedediah-starr.com/thumb...&deep=2&cid=78
2. https://www.jade-inc.org/manufacture...pioneer-powder
1. https://www.jedediah-starr.com/thumb...&deep=2&cid=78
2. https://www.jade-inc.org/manufacture...pioneer-powder
11-07-2020, 09:24 PM
#14
Typical Buck
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APP has started making .50 round pellets instead of only the square sticks.
LG Outdoors is selling them. --->>> https://www.lg-outdoors.com/Product/...s/5737725?fs=1
LG Outdoors is selling them. --->>> https://www.lg-outdoors.com/Product/...s/5737725?fs=1
Last edited by arcticap; 11-07-2020 at 09:26 PM.
03-26-2021, 07:32 AM
#16
Typical Buck
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The American Pioneer .50 pellets are also sold by Graf's under the Shooters World label as The Hunter Pellets.
--->>> https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog...roductId/83680
Shooters World The Hunter Pellets
--->>> https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog...roductId/83680
Shooters World The Hunter Pellets
05-02-2021, 05:41 PM
#17
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Arizona
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My problem with APP powder was that it had inconsistent grain size. The larger grains would have vastly lower velocity than loads that happen to have the powdery smaller grains. I tried a whole can of the stuff in both my 50 cal and in two shotguns. Both types of guns displayed terrible consistencies. It's bad enough when a 50 cal goes 8 inches or more wild...but when a shotgun has noticeable variations, that's ridiculous.
