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For those with Remington Ultimate rifles, Arrowhead Sporting Goods has designed and just came out today with a replacement breech plug. The BP uses modules.

THE RUM IS NOT SMOKELESS RATED. NEVER USE SMOKELESS PROPELLANT IN EITHER A RUM OR UF RIFLE. DO NOT CONFUSE THIS.

This new BP will completely fix some of the existing head space issues, plus it eliminates the gas cutting of the nipples when using BH209, as there is no more nipple to gas cut. This is a game changer for RUM rifles!

Further design is necessary for UF rifles, which will be coming next.

http://arrowheadsporting.com/asggen2_uml.html

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Extra $115 on top of a $900 rifle? eeeouch!

The RUM is way down in price, with many just over $600 if you look around. But with the new plug installed, its game on, including long distance. BH209 capable.

Beats the heck out of a imported Spanish sidelock at around $500 or more. Whats that new one cost they had at the last big show?...Close to $900? Over $1100 MSRP

Ive seen plenty of RUMs for around $750 NIB. Around $700 at Buds and $636 at GrabAGun.

+ $75 for installation which means more $$ for shipping to and from.

Jon, you really should stay up in the primitive section. Nothing requires you to purchase an American made modern inline, nor does it mean you have to spend any money for American made products.

This new American designed and made product is a game changer for those who prefer and own these rifles, regardless if the cost is out of your price range. It will benefit them, sorry it doesn't benefit you.

It is not your place to make comments like that is it?? We all have just as much a right to our opinion as you do, don't we?

My opinion differs from yours. How will you go about attacking me? I do buy American. I am a modern muzzle loader shooter.

In my opinion, the rifle is too long, and too heavy. I am not interested in the rifle in the least. That is my opinion. My hunting rifle is American made. My hunting rifle cost me more money than i would have liked. My Mountaineer UltraLight rifle is a way lighter, and shorter, and i like it.

By the way, i am using the factory breech plug, and it will last me for a good long long long time. It uses shotgun primers, not the rifle primers. Does that make my rifle bad; i think not. Just my opinion is all. Just my opinion........




























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So..... I give my opinion and response, and you're "attacking" my right to my opinion?

Ron, if that's what you call "attacking", its a pitiful response. I also notice that your response wasn't directed ("attacking") the cost of a new product that will benefit many.

You're right, our opinions do differ, greatly. I have no issue with that.

Your Knight is a fine American made rifle for what its designed to do. However IIRC, haven't you had to modify, correct or change your BP, with vent liners and "O" rings and use only a single primer to keep blowback at a minimum?

Its ok that you don't like a heavier rifle, longer rifle, and extended range rifle, or rifle that is different.

However, thanks for not coming out complaining about the price of a new quality product, that without question, is going to be a huge game changer for owners of these rifles.

My bet is though, that if Knight came out with a new product that benefited and made it a game changer for Knight rifles, you'd be the first person to throw praise, yet the first to take exception to anyone bashing it.

The Remington ML was ahead of its time many years ago. But they have done nothing in the last 5 years to make it a more modern Inline. The Knight Mountaineer and Ultralite are way more advanced in all aspects. Glad to see Luke is helping make it a more practical Inline for those that own one. Most people if not all, know that pellets are about the worst/inconsistent propellant on the market.

Not sure what the warranty is on these guns, but obviously don’t send it back with the modified breech plug in it to be safe.

I may be misunderstanding, but are you getting the Remington ML confused with the Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader (RUM)??
I don't think the RUM has been out yet to the public for 5 years.

You're right, Luke has done an outstanding job of helping out the RUM owners and yes, one would not want to send one back with modified breech plug installed.
Short of a few really bad barrels that got out when it was introduced, the actual only real returns to Remington was because of gas cut, or improperly head spaced rifles.
With Luke's plug, its a one time change and problems are resolved.

Tom, I think you may be talking about the wrong rifle. The RUM and the 700ML are two different rifles.

It is really to bad that Remington did not choose to keep the 700ML relevant it was at it's time ahead of the game.

The RUM (Remington Ultra Magnum) was Remington's attempt to become relevant again. It was based after/off the Johnston Ultimate Firearms ML.

I mentioned this to Hankins Rifle ages ago and he had no interest in making them. Glad Luke stepped up to the plate. The module system is far superior to reusing brass cases. The bolt head is already a .473 so its a super simple conversion.

This type of system is the rage right now for the non-smokers. It can handle extreme peak pressure with ease. You will never get close to those pressures with BH209. It was designed for applications into the 50kpsi range or a tad more.

This isn't a modern/traditional thing. Its like seeing folks complain about cva's blackhorn209 breech plug. I've seen more complaining that it should be included with the rifle, yet this rifle costs a lot, and the breech plug costs 3x what a cva plug costs, yet it is needed in order the shoot blackhorn209. When a rifle of this "quality" should already be ready to go out of the box.

If you have BH209 listed in the manual it just seems logical you should include the plug. It wouldn't take much to offer them with 1 plug of your choice but of course CVA pushed WhiteHots for some odd reason. It pretty obvious if you watch their Youtube videos. Knight offers them either way on most of their rifles. FPJ or NFPJ which is better for BH209.

Neither Rem or UF directly approves using BH209 and UF even says not to use it. Wakeman was the only one recommending BH209 in the RUM and he has since backed off....Care to guess why?

so remington designed this rifle for T7 only... Kinda like how cva pushes the whitehots?

Here's what a member received. Thought I posted it here at one time. Remington is stopping all warrantee work on BP's that have been shooting BH.

The following is a quote from a member of a FB page I have for UF and RUM owners ONLY. I have his permission to share his "of late" experience.


"Update on my Remington Ultimate I had in for warranty work due to headspace issue. I called Remington 2 weeks ago due to no update on my warranty process via their website and my serial number. The warranty department stated they had no clue where my gun was due to it not being in their system, even tho they sent UPS to pick it up and had records of it being delivered at their facility. Today I received an email that the gun would be delivered today by the end of day, which the gun showed up via UPS. I also received a note stating that my headspace was off due to a bad breechplug. The reason for the bad breechplug, was due to improper powder use (black horn 209). Remington stated the only approved powder for my gun is pellets. I’m curious due to Remington previously telling me I’m fine to shoot blackhorn 209 out of the gun. I contacted the gun repair department and they also stated DO NOT shoot Blackhorn. I guess I will be switching to Triple 7 magnum pellets lol. I wanted everyone to have a heads up on the Remington’s stance on shooting Blackhorn 209. My gun is perfect now, no dented brass and the brass is now clean as new after every shot with pellets. Remington also noted I did not get charged for repair due to the gun damaging brass out of the box with the very first shot even with pellets prior to me switching to Blackhorn."

I go by the manual and not by what some so called tech says. If its in the manual its approved. If its not you are on your own.

CVA techs couldn't even tell me why FFFG/P was not allowed even though Hodgdon allows it in 50cal. While at the same time 3 pellets is fine which is not approved by Hodgdon and makes higher peak pressure.

Seems to me that Rem's manual is pretty clear about what is approved. Its common knowledge the UF was designed for pellets and still holds the patent on the plug.

I've been reading this post and all the replies on it. I guess if this is what trips your trigger then I say go for it. I on the other hand would not spend that amount of money on that rifle. Good or bad. Shooting ridiculously long ranges with a muzzleloader does not interest me in the least. I got into the black powder game many many years ago. I like getting in close to game which is why I enjoy both traditional rifles and archery. I have one in-line ML just because and for the same reason I have a crossbow. But I would still rather shoot my flinters and caplocks or my vertical bows.
I have no problem with you guys buying these high priced MLs and having fun with them. But it seems that if you spend that much on a rifle it should be able to shoot any BP or substitute without any additional modifications such as a different breech plug.

What Bronko 22000 said.


Yep, now folks will shell out 190 dollars to cause the gun to perform like it should have from the factory. It's the Encore story all over again.


Buy a nice Knight rifle and don't look back.

Nothing against Knight rifles, but darn near every one of their rifles requires some kind of re-work. CS has been a pain for some, rather their fault or CS itself. Shimming, "O" rings, vent liners, rough bores, etc.
Over $1,100 for a new Ultra-Lite, most likely requiring some type of modification, or, a Remington Ultimate for just over $600, add $200 permanent fix and for $800-$900 and, you end up with a very capable long range 50cal rifle.

There is no perfect production muzzleloader. They all have some kind of quirk, just like the owners.

Ya know...... small businesses need to make a living too. Arrowhead created a permanent and complete, one time correction.

well under $1100
https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/brand...eloader-rifles

The BIG thing you get with the RUM is a massive upgrade path. If it fits a Rem700 it pretty much fits a RUM too. There even 45cal RemAge barrels available that can be installed with simple tools. They are pretty pricey though for that one. CF RemAge barrels fit also and cost way less.

Try to find just a aftermarket trigger for a Knight. Nothing is supported by aftermarket like a Rem700 platform. Not even close.

And if you look further for the RUM, you'll find it as low as $632. Add another $200 for a breech plug you never have to replace no matter how much you shoot. Unlike the Knight, which will still need some kind of modification. So for still less money, you get an accurate long range muzzleloader, built on an absolutely proven action.

Now to the boys that don't like long range hunting...... First realize that some hunters other than maybe you, hunt over large pieces of agricultural properties. Some states have nothing but an orange pumpkin patch if they are forced to hunt state land. Your style or type of hunting, is not the only style of hunting.

https://grabagun.com/model-700-ultim...rce=igodigital

Back to my post on this - its not that I don't like long range hunting. But IMO, and only mine, doing so with a ML requires not only an accurate rifle but also a very good range finder and a intimate knowledge of where your rifle shoots at all ranges (likely every 25 yards once you get out there over 350-400 yards). I just don't have the time or the patience to devote that much effort into it. You guys that do this long range stuff I applaud you. The RUM + the after market BP would seem like a good deal for any interested in long range shooting. Just not for everyone. But at least the thread was posted to let RUM user know what is available to them.
One thing that does seem odd to me is that Rem does not recommend BH209 in this modern rifle!

That's totally understandable, but one has to realize that the RUM is basically a copy of the BP Express, of which the original design was to ignite pellets and it does exceptionally well. Also loose propellants too. The BP Xpress has been around for quite some time and BH wasn't the rage that it is now. I think sometimes we all forget that BH really hasn't been available as long as the other substitutes.

For the guy that just shoots 4 or 5 times to verify his scope prior to hunting, they probably don't need the conversion. Its surprising just how many hunters do just that.
However for the hunter/shooter that shoots quite a few, or many rounds a year, just not for extending their hunting season, this BP change is more than worth the money and time. I can see nothing worse, than a hunter with only one muzz and have the breech plug gas cut just prior to the opener. Sending it back to Remington for a replacement could take 8 weeks or more.

Luke is planning on a replacement design for the UF and I can hardly wait. The change will save me a ton of manual labor.