Bronco, I am not sure how you could get the tip misaligned in the bullet. It is press fit into the copper bullet and it is really tight. I have actually tried to remove them from a bullet with a vise and vice grip. Didn't happen. I completely destroyed both in my attempt.

Remember also the tip is not the normal aluminum that we encounter. It is 7075-T6.

As shown in Ron's test it would probably break before it bent.

Loading - some have speculated that loading might also be a problem but most normal spire type loading jags load the bullet with out touching the tip. I have used TC Super Jags, Spin Jag Originals, and of course a Lehigh loading jag. All of these load the bullet correctly.

I can also tell you that dropping them on the concrete floor in the garage, not a designed test, but it happened a couple of times when I was trying to remove the tip in the garage. Anyway the drop did not effect the tip or the bullet.

One other thing that arrived in my email this morning was some information of successful harvests using the lighter .451x237CF-LP bullet. Same bullet just smaller diameter and shorter so it can be shot from a 1-48 twist ML or in this a case tight bored smokeless ML's

A couple of guys wrote:

Ron's tests are a great comparison tool and he spends a great amount of time and effort getting them done. After viewing his test of the bullet - I personally would have labeled it 'bullet failure'. Yet real-world testing of this bullet indicates a completely different result.

I think we all should keep that in mind.

Testing has been done in rifle bullets to prove you wrong. Not positive but the testing was done between 100 and 200 yards if you do a search on it. Bullets were fouled down before shooting. Slits were cut out of bullets. And some were almost cut in half. Crazy testing and no real effects on accuracy at 100 and 200 yards. Not for sure, but i think it would be the same for a ML?? It sure would be easy to test if i wanted to. Just dont have a reason to right now.

Bronco, forgot to give you an answer about BC

Lehigh 451x230CF-HP .160
Lehigh 451x237CF-LP .250

Lehigh 452x240CF-HP .180
Lehigh 452x247CF-LP .260

So I would say the tips do decent job bumping the actual G1 BC

Mike,

Those bullets that killed those animals were traveling a way faster than the bullet when we caught it. Results should be expected to be different. If the bullets that killed those animals had been traveling the same speed as the bullet we caught, the results may have been disappointing? Had the bullet we caught been traveling as fast as those killing bullets, you may not have considered the result to be a failure?

The information i posted in the OP was data we collected in the real world. :D














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I wouldnt put much faith in manfs BC info. Bullet companies have been known to stretch the true by a large margin.

Well call me skeptical but I don't see that bullet design to be any better then what's already out there and I when I was talking about accuracy I was thinking of the tip getting slightly bend from improper loading which would cause an out of balance condition. Seems to me like there isn't enough support for the tip. Now we're talking an aluminum tip here not a lead tip. Lead tips fired from centerfires do melt some as do some of the older polymer tips.
I will looked into my imbalance concern and found this (which is what I was trying to say initially): http://riflebarrels.com/a-look-at-bu...nce-and-twist/ .

Not sure you can bend them although I haven't tried. I honestly think they would break before bending. Because of the density and hardness of the copper they are inserted into - I am sure they would break before moving in the seat.

Correct it is aluminum but it is harden to a very high degree. It is more brittle than it is bendable.

I truly believe what you are saying about imbalance - just do not see a way that a normal person loading this bullet could create that condition.

Ron I agree with you these were traveling a lot faster out of the muzzle than your testing. Actually most hunting loads even with a normal ML are going to be traveling much faster. Your bullets are testing what might happen to a bullet shot through your medium @ around 1200fps.

I haven not computed the velocity of the bullet shot at 363 yards but you can bet it has slowed down to something much less than the 2963fps at the muzzle.

In addition Grouse and other eastern hunters have use the 247CF-LP for deer harvest this year and have reported the same 'Terminal Performance' they expect from a Lehigh Controlled Fracturing' bullet.

I do not know the ranges of those shots - Tom might come back to this thread and post those ranges - he keeps track of all that information.

Yes, they were shot in the 'real world' but not at a real world animal... there is a difference.

Well shucks.




















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