What is Brand Bashing?
01-04-2018, 11:56 AM
#41
Nontypical Buck
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01-04-2018, 12:02 PM
#42
Nontypical Buck
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And end of seasons sales in the "Bargain Bins" used to be overflowing with imports at half of what they were selling them at.
Pretty much the same way Japan got a foot hold in the USA after dumping millions if not billions of $$$$s worth of autos in the US market during the 1970s.
They both make a fairly good product today after many years of product dumping and copying ideas such as the Omega then selling the Kodiak for half the price or less.
Lets be honest though, if CVA made such a good ML then why does Traditions/Ardesa outsell them in virtually all of Europe including Spain. Show me a shop's website in Spain that even carries a CVA/Bergara ML. Ive looked countless times with no luck. Pedersoli and Traditions/Ardesa are easy to find.
Pretty much the same way Japan got a foot hold in the USA after dumping millions if not billions of $$$$s worth of autos in the US market during the 1970s.
They both make a fairly good product today after many years of product dumping and copying ideas such as the Omega then selling the Kodiak for half the price or less.
Lets be honest though, if CVA made such a good ML then why does Traditions/Ardesa outsell them in virtually all of Europe including Spain. Show me a shop's website in Spain that even carries a CVA/Bergara ML. Ive looked countless times with no luck. Pedersoli and Traditions/Ardesa are easy to find.
But then again, I'm not a ML nut. I love all guns really.
01-04-2018, 12:11 PM
#43
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2014
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Items purchased at low price, will not have the highest quality available parts, or they would cost more.
Certainly a $300 rifle scope will never have the quality parts of a $2,300 or $3,500 rifle scope.
That said, to many, a lower priced product has enough quality to meet their current need.
For others, they would rather be assured of the highest quality, which always costs more.
Certainly a $300 rifle scope will never have the quality parts of a $2,300 or $3,500 rifle scope.
That said, to many, a lower priced product has enough quality to meet their current need.
For others, they would rather be assured of the highest quality, which always costs more.
01-04-2018, 12:55 PM
#44
Typical Buck
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It seems like a couple folks out in web-world are a bit butt-hurt that a new off the shelf $300 CVA can out-shoot their $1000+ rifle and clean up twice as fast. 
Yeah, CVA put out a couple garbage models in the late 90's that had some serious design/engineering flaws, and sadly folks on muzzie forums still like to cling to those past issues like a newborn kitten to a little kid's pant-leg.
Yeah, CVA put out a couple garbage models in the late 90's that had some serious design/engineering flaws, and sadly folks on muzzie forums still like to cling to those past issues like a newborn kitten to a little kid's pant-leg.
01-04-2018, 01:14 PM
#45
Giant Nontypical
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It seems like a couple folks out in web-world are a bit butt-hurt that a new off the shelf $300 CVA can out-shoot their $1000+ rifle and clean up twice as fast.
Yeah, CVA put out a couple garbage models in the late 90's that had some serious design/engineering flaws, and sadly folks on muzzie forums still like to cling to those past issues like a newborn kitten to a little kid's pant-leg.
Yeah, CVA put out a couple garbage models in the late 90's that had some serious design/engineering flaws, and sadly folks on muzzie forums still like to cling to those past issues like a newborn kitten to a little kid's pant-leg.
01-04-2018, 01:45 PM
#46
Nontypical Buck
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Actually since 2015, there's only been one individual CVA rifle shot in the matches. In the year 2015, the highest one scored was 25th of IIRC 33 shooters.
01-04-2018, 03:17 PM
#47
Typical Buck
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The hunting market also happens to be the basis of the forum you're posting in.
01-04-2018, 03:50 PM
#48
Nontypical Buck
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Everybody has a "tack driver", no matter the brand. Just ask them.
Yes, they are affordable and a decent first muzzleloader. To make them affordable, the highest quality parts are not used, or they couldn't sell them for $300.
100yd shooting today with any modern inline muzzleloader is a chip shot. High quality rifles start to excel at distance.
01-04-2018, 04:23 PM
#49
Typical Buck
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That's a pretty bold statement some might challenge.
Match shooting is one of the best tests for the repeatability and accuracy of a rifle. It also tests the ability of the shooter. Lots of practice and confidence are learned when one shoots in a match, which only makes them a better hunting shooter.
Everybody has a "tack driver", no matter the brand. Just ask them.
Yes, they are affordable and a decent first muzzleloader. To make them affordable, the highest quality parts are not used, or they couldn't sell them for $300.
100yd shooting today with any modern inline muzzleloader is a chip shot. High quality rifles start to excel at distance.
Match shooting is one of the best tests for the repeatability and accuracy of a rifle. It also tests the ability of the shooter. Lots of practice and confidence are learned when one shoots in a match, which only makes them a better hunting shooter.
Everybody has a "tack driver", no matter the brand. Just ask them.
Yes, they are affordable and a decent first muzzleloader. To make them affordable, the highest quality parts are not used, or they couldn't sell them for $300.
100yd shooting today with any modern inline muzzleloader is a chip shot. High quality rifles start to excel at distance.
I certainly get a chuckle out of the non-stop CVA bashing based on issues from 20 years ago.
Personally I'm concerned about shooting deer out to 200 yards in which a CVA happens to excel.
For a hunting rifle under $500, it can't be beat for out of the box accuracy with the Bergara made barrels.,
01-04-2018, 04:42 PM
#50
Nontypical Buck
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Agree. My initial comment was largely tongue-in-cheek.
I certainly get a chuckle out of the non-stop CVA bashing based on issues from 20 years ago.
Personally I'm concerned about shooting deer out to 200 yards in which a CVA happens to excel.
For a hunting rifle under $500, it can't be beat for out of the box accuracy with the Bergara made barrels.,
I certainly get a chuckle out of the non-stop CVA bashing based on issues from 20 years ago.
Personally I'm concerned about shooting deer out to 200 yards in which a CVA happens to excel.
For a hunting rifle under $500, it can't be beat for out of the box accuracy with the Bergara made barrels.,
As I mentioned earlier, I personally don't care for anything about the CVA rifles........ BUT...... I've setup a couple of friends Accura V2 rifles which shot decent and their owners were happy, and that's what counts. Its a good rifle for the "extended season hunter."
For those who want extreme accuracy and long range tight groups, there are much better rifles available. However, to get extreme accuracy and especially tight long range groups, a higher quality rifle is required. Break open rifles of any brand, just won't compare to any of the bolt rifles for extreme accuracy, especially at long range.