What is Brand Bashing?
01-01-2018, 12:02 PM
#22
Typical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 988
Truth is not bashing. It's a very well known fact that CVA uses inferior steels and they are not inspected like all barrels produced here in the US. It's pretty simple. You just seem to have a hard time grasping it or you are trying to start a little bashing war. I personally have been into muzzleloading rifles for over 40 years. My old man was an individual that several firearm manufacturers would consult and send rifles and cartridges to for testing. There are several on this forum that come from the same type of background as I and we all have a strong tendency to state our findings so that newcomers to our sport of choice don't make mistakes through lack of knowledge. I do believe that is the intention of this forum. I personally don't own a Knight nor would I consider one except for maybe a Knight Vision because I don't like bolt action type inlines due to very large fingers. Makes handling a primer a pain in the butt. Break open or drop block actions suit be much better for access. But I do know quite a few folks that do own them and they are excellent shooting rifles and quality built. The old man had a saying about CVA and their customer service, "the reason they have such good customer service is because they are so well practiced with people having to call about crappy products". Now I did hear that Knight went though some problems with CS soon after they were bought out but that supposedly has been cured. I'm under the impression they don't get a whole lot of practice if you get my drift.
01-01-2018, 12:08 PM
#24
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Near a lake with no fish
Posts: 1,077
your Quote:
Could it be, that CVA absolutely floods the market with inexpensive lessor quality rifles, that the vast majority of "extended season" hunters are willing to purchase?
I want to bring to your attention to inexpensive and lessor quality guns. If that is not bashing a muzzleloader manufacturer, you need to explain yourself. I am not going to reply continually to this as I think it is bashing a manufacturer. You qualified your statement I don't need any more. As far as letting this go, if I get reasonable answers to my original post I will let it go. Then I will know how to post as related on this Forum.
Could it be, that CVA absolutely floods the market with inexpensive lessor quality rifles, that the vast majority of "extended season" hunters are willing to purchase?
I want to bring to your attention to inexpensive and lessor quality guns. If that is not bashing a muzzleloader manufacturer, you need to explain yourself. I am not going to reply continually to this as I think it is bashing a manufacturer. You qualified your statement I don't need any more. As far as letting this go, if I get reasonable answers to my original post I will let it go. Then I will know how to post as related on this Forum.
Fact: CVA rifles are in every sporting goods store, chain stores, yard sales and almost every place they sell firearms. In many stores, its the only muzzleloader they sell. They're all over the place. Racks are full of them. I'd say they've flooded the market. If that's bashing to YOU, you'll just have to live with the facts as they are.
Fact: Compare the price of the CVA model muzzleloaders to any of the other manufacturer's muzzleloaders. They are one of the most inexpensive muzzleloaders on the market. So the fact is, they are inexpensive.
Fact: The quality doesn't compare to many of the other muzzleloaders on the market, short of maybe one. You CAN NOT build a high quality firearm, sell it as one of the most inexpensive available, and build it with high quality components. Short of importing, which means its made someplace other than the United States.
As I've stated, I don't care for CVA rifles, but have helped to setup the Accura V2 models and they shot very well.
01-01-2018, 12:13 PM
#25
Fork Horn
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 205
Truth is not bashing. It's a very well known fact that CVA uses inferior steels and they are not inspected like all barrels produced here in the US. It's pretty simple. You just seem to have a hard time grasping it or you are trying to start a little bashing war. I personally have been into muzzleloading rifles for over 40 years. My old man was an individual that several firearm manufacturers would consult and send rifles and cartridges to for testing. There are several on this forum that come from the same type of background as I and we all have a strong tendency to state our findings so that newcomers to our sport of choice don't make mistakes through lack of knowledge. I do believe that is the intention of this forum. I personally don't own a Knight nor would I consider one except for maybe a Knight Vision because I don't like bolt action type inlines due to very large fingers. Makes handling a primer a pain in the butt. Break open or drop block actions suit be much better for access. But I do know quite a few folks that do own them and they are excellent shooting rifles and quality built. The old man had a saying about CVA and their customer service, "the reason they have such good customer service is because they are so well practiced with people having to call about crappy products". Now I did hear that Knight went though some problems with CS soon after they were bought out but that supposedly has been cured. I'm under the impression they don't get a whole lot of practice if you get my drift.
Last edited by d.winsor; 01-01-2018 at 12:15 PM.
01-01-2018, 12:17 PM
#26
Fork Horn
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 205
Evidently YOU are not getting the answers YOU want. Therein lies the problem.
Fact: CVA rifles are in every sporting goods store, chain stores, yard sales and almost every place they sell firearms. In many stores, its the only muzzleloader they sell. They're all over the place. Racks are full of them. I'd say they've flooded the market. If that's bashing to YOU, you'll just have to live with the facts as they are.
Fact: Compare the price of the CVA model muzzleloaders to any of the other manufacturer's muzzleloaders. They are one of the most inexpensive muzzleloaders on the market. So the fact is, they are inexpensive.
Fact: The quality doesn't compare to many of the other muzzleloaders on the market, short of maybe one. You CAN NOT build a high quality firearm, sell it as one of the most inexpensive available, and build it with high quality components. Short of importing, which means its made someplace other than the United States.
As I've stated, I don't care for CVA rifles, but have helped to setup the Accura V2 models and they shot very well.
Fact: CVA rifles are in every sporting goods store, chain stores, yard sales and almost every place they sell firearms. In many stores, its the only muzzleloader they sell. They're all over the place. Racks are full of them. I'd say they've flooded the market. If that's bashing to YOU, you'll just have to live with the facts as they are.
Fact: Compare the price of the CVA model muzzleloaders to any of the other manufacturer's muzzleloaders. They are one of the most inexpensive muzzleloaders on the market. So the fact is, they are inexpensive.
Fact: The quality doesn't compare to many of the other muzzleloaders on the market, short of maybe one. You CAN NOT build a high quality firearm, sell it as one of the most inexpensive available, and build it with high quality components. Short of importing, which means its made someplace other than the United States.
As I've stated, I don't care for CVA rifles, but have helped to setup the Accura V2 models and they shot very well.
01-01-2018, 12:23 PM
#29
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
Here is the exact quote from a recent post of mine on another board. Im not allowed to post links to competing forums here sooo.
by GM54-120 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:11 pm
Im not a fan of alloy frame break actions but the Optima v2 in nitride is a ton of gun for the money and almost as light as a Accura MR. You trade off a couple ounces for another inch of barrel. You save some $$$$s and have the option of a thumbhole stock to boot. Ive seen some killer pricing on the Accura MR occasionally though. End of the year sales in the "Bargain Bins" can save a ton of money. MidwayUSA had some on sale for around $350 not long ago.
by GM54-120 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:21 pm
Its the rifle i almost always suggest as a first inline muzzleloader. Relatively cheap but not so cheap its garbage. I have a hard time recommending high dollar rifles to start unless the OP is familiar with the extra care needed in cleaning and preventing rust. The nitride version offers even more corrosion resistance and its on SS. Yeah you dont get an adjustable trigger but ive yet to see any complaints about them. All the ones ive handled and tried were more than adequate for a factory trigger.
My only big complaint is the BH209 plug is not standard. They should really offer all their rifles with a choice of plugs or make one plug that works for both.
My only big complaint is the BH209 plug is not standard. They should really offer all their rifles with a choice of plugs or make one plug that works for both.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 01-01-2018 at 12:28 PM.
01-01-2018, 12:25 PM
#30
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 54