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People waited for months to get these Apex 45/70 barrels for converting to 45cal MLs/SMLs. I sure hope this one is just a fluke because there were quite a few that just arrived from Spain. I heard Carlos bought quite a few of them and ASG did also.

Horrid chamber


Stained


Doesn't even look like it was crowned



Most of this doesn't mean much for someone converting since the machine work needed will remove most of these imperfections but if you were gunna use it for a CF it could be a huge issue.

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The guy who bought it also says his hammer wont pull back with that barrel unless he slams it shut. It hasn't even been converted yet. His other barrels lock up tight and close fine.

I hope the guys that bought a pallet of them dont have similar issues. They have lots of people waiting on them.

That's bloody awful. No excuse for that barrel to make it out of the shop. Just another example of CVA's poor quality control and why so many people are against them. If they let that miserable excuse for a barrel get past, just what do you think happens to the ones with poor stressing and other things that can't be seen easily but are even more deadly? I see people saying, well mine is good and never had a problem. And that may be so. But even just 1 out of a 100 getting by is 1 too damn many. These aren't toys that one can just say, awww it broke, oh well. These are highly dangerous pieces of equipment that can maim and kill the operator with just the simplest of mistakes.

Another guy who got one just posted his has the same "crown" or lack of but the rest of the barrel looks fine. He also confirmed his earlier Apex barrels had the recessed crown.

The Apex 45/70 converted to a SML has been a "go to" for affordable conversions. Mainly because the price BUT the breach OD is larger than other break actions. Plus the barrels are offered in what is called Full Contour.

GM, if you aren't satisfied, send it back. I would not accept a chamber that looks beat up like that one does.

The way you guys rag on CVA and Berara. Why would you buy their barrel?

CVA makes great muzzleloaders. Even I wouldn't buy anything else they make.

I didn't buy it although i would get a Scout V2 if i really wanted a converted CVA. I guess you missed the post where i said i liked the Scout and even recommended people that want a fast twist break action try one.

I haven't missed all your comments on CVA muzzleloaders.

I know, your memory is quite selective. Ive ragged on Knight plenty starting with the first release of the Mountaineer.

Then again, you only remember what you want to remember. The larger picture eludes you.

I thought we were talking about CVA? Your diversion isn't going to work.

I don't have a selective memory.

Diversion from what? That i will talk about any brand that puts out a bad product? Knight, T/C Traditions or CVA. May i remind of the time you basically hid the MR paint peeling issue until STRONGLY confronted about it.

And is that all you got?

Look up diversion. You don't seem to know what it is.

The subject is Bergara barrels.

I don't remember hiding the coating peeling? I even showed pictures of the gun. CVA gave me a Nitride gun to fix it.

It sure is nice that they have superior customer service for inferior quality products. Helps a little I guess .

Sounds like you started this banter and now you are crying about it?

Puuuuhlease.

Ragging on you is crying?

Ok.

A little update on the Apex 45-70 barrel. It shoots decent. It would have gone back for a refund but it was free so I kept it. It should make a great smokeless conversion after the breech plug is threaded, new crown, and bead blast. It locks up good now after some sanding and polishing.

100yds with 325 Hornady LEVERevolution, first two are closest to bull, second two are after the barrel cooled from me chatting with a fellow shooter. Taped hole is a sight-in shot.