You have to start somewhere....
03-20-2017, 10:07 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Near a lake with no fish
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The real issue is that most don't know how to shoot at that range, nor have most ever tried. No one is teaching new shooters the capabilities modern inline rifles actually have, or how to shoot them accurately. Instead, they're being told what they should or shouldn't do, what bullet and sabot shoots best from someone else's rifle, and how to install a vent liner. Or some well meaning shooter tells them that most all game shots are at 100yds or less, so there's no need to practice/shoot at longer ranges, and install an "O" ring......
Then when something does come up, where shooters could enter or just go watch and learn, someone has to come along and criticize a new first time event, that after the event is completed, changes will be made. Reminds me of the liberals that need a "special room", with pillows and blankets to go cry. Hillary supporters.
How about coming up with something positive to share?
03-20-2017, 11:56 AM
#13
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Saxonburg Pa
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With technology today, its fairly simple to shoot long range. Ballistic reticle scopes, rangefinder, binos etc. The bottom line is a good steady rest. No secret about that at all.
03-20-2017, 12:23 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
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They really have no reason to either. sharpening your skills to become a better hunter is a smarter way. With the exceptions of plains game and those people who dont have a choice.
With technology today, its fairly simple to shoot long range. Ballistic reticle scopes, rangefinder, binos etc. The bottom line is a good steady rest. No secret about that at all.
With technology today, its fairly simple to shoot long range. Ballistic reticle scopes, rangefinder, binos etc. The bottom line is a good steady rest. No secret about that at all.
I can't count the numbers of hunters using muzzleloaders, that were totally scared to death, to take a shot beyond 40yds. Even with their modern inline. They had the thought, or it was instilled into them, that muzzleloaders were only close range rifles. Modern inlines are not just 40 or 100yd rifles.
Second, not everyone who hunts with a muzzleloader or any firearm for that matter, has the ability to "hunt". The terrain you hunt can be completely different than what they can hunt. Eastern/southern hunters may have more woods and brush, where short shots are the norm. Mid west hunters may have a single hedge row to hide in, over looking an 80 acre bean field. Western hunters may have vast areas, miles of wide open, hills, or mountains. Shots at game vary by geographical area. So lumping all muzzleloader hunters into a "no reason" to shoot long range is far from correct.
I do though like your last paragraph. Its spot on. That is exactly why any shrink wrapped rifle is capable of 300yds or 300m accurately. Shooters just have to learn from someone how to properly utilize the rifles they already have. Its no secret, it just has to be learned.
03-20-2017, 01:16 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
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First, every shooter isn't necessarily a hunter. I know a number of them.
I can't count the numbers of hunters using muzzleloaders, that were totally scared to death, to take a shot beyond 40yds. Even with their modern inline. They had the thought, or it was instilled into them, that muzzleloaders were only close range rifles. Modern inlines are not just 40 or 100yd rifles.
Second, not everyone who hunts with a muzzleloader or any firearm for that matter, has the ability to "hunt". The terrain you hunt can be completely different than what they can hunt. Eastern/southern hunters may have more woods and brush, where short shots are the norm. Mid west hunters may have a single hedge row to hide in, over looking an 80 acre bean field. Western hunters may have vast areas, miles of wide open, hills, or mountains. Shots at game vary by geographical area. So lumping all muzzleloader hunters into a "no reason" to shoot long range is far from correct.
I do though like your last paragraph. Its spot on. That is exactly why any shrink wrapped rifle is capable of 300yds or 300m accurately. Shooters just have to learn from someone how to properly utilize the rifles they already have. Its no secret, it just has to be learned.
I can't count the numbers of hunters using muzzleloaders, that were totally scared to death, to take a shot beyond 40yds. Even with their modern inline. They had the thought, or it was instilled into them, that muzzleloaders were only close range rifles. Modern inlines are not just 40 or 100yd rifles.
Second, not everyone who hunts with a muzzleloader or any firearm for that matter, has the ability to "hunt". The terrain you hunt can be completely different than what they can hunt. Eastern/southern hunters may have more woods and brush, where short shots are the norm. Mid west hunters may have a single hedge row to hide in, over looking an 80 acre bean field. Western hunters may have vast areas, miles of wide open, hills, or mountains. Shots at game vary by geographical area. So lumping all muzzleloader hunters into a "no reason" to shoot long range is far from correct.
I do though like your last paragraph. Its spot on. That is exactly why any shrink wrapped rifle is capable of 300yds or 300m accurately. Shooters just have to learn from someone how to properly utilize the rifles they already have. Its no secret, it just has to be learned.
03-20-2017, 01:25 PM
#16
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
http://www.michrpa.org/resources/Doc...zzleloader.pdf
RIFLES- Any safe production in-line muzzleloader. Weight of scope and rifle not to exceed 12 lbs.
BULLETs /SABOTS- Any lead or jacketed bullet enclosed in a sabot. A sabot must be used. No bore riding bullets
.
SIGHTS-Any iron sight or scope.
PROPELLANT-Black powder or any black powder substitute. NO SMOKELESS POWDER.
PRIMER-#11 cap, musket cap, 209 primer or primed ctg. case ignition.
FIRING POSITION- Prone using any easily portable front rest such as sandbags, x-sticks, bi-pod etc. Rear shoulder support only. No artificial rest under the rifle butt.
COURSE OF FIRE-In-line M/L class. 300, 200 and 100 yards prone. A fouling shot may be fired into the berm
once your 30 minute relay starts. Up to three sighting shots may then be fired, then 5 shots for score. 30 minute
relays at each distance. We use 3 man squads. The targets fired at are the NRA SR-3 300 yard target, SR 200 yd.
target and the NMLRA 6 bull target at 100 yds.
DUE TO SPACE LIMITATIONS, THE 2017 MATCH WILL BE LIMITED TO THE FIRST 12 PEOPLE
WHO PRE-REGISTER
03-20-2017, 01:41 PM
#17
Nontypical Buck
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But I'm saying ballistic reticles really make all the long range hunting a lot easier. If your talking competive paper shooting that's different. But I'm not sure anyone that posts on this board does that. Showing up at one shoot a year, doesn't classify a competive shooter to me at all. But that's my opinion only. It's like the Deer hunter that hunt the first day of buck and no more.
So you're still right. With the equipment available to shooters today, even shrink wrap rifle owners, long range shooting isn't a secret.
03-20-2017, 04:45 PM
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Saxonburg Pa
Posts: 3,925
Right here.
http://www.michrpa.org/resources/Doc...zzleloader.pdf
RIFLES- Any safe production in-line muzzleloader. Weight of scope and rifle not to exceed 12 lbs.
BULLETs /SABOTS- Any lead or jacketed bullet enclosed in a sabot. A sabot must be used. No bore riding bullets
.
SIGHTS-Any iron sight or scope.
PROPELLANT-Black powder or any black powder substitute. NO SMOKELESS POWDER.
PRIMER-#11 cap, musket cap, 209 primer or primed ctg. case ignition.
FIRING POSITION- Prone using any easily portable front rest such as sandbags, x-sticks, bi-pod etc. Rear shoulder support only. No artificial rest under the rifle butt.
COURSE OF FIRE-In-line M/L class. 300, 200 and 100 yards prone. A fouling shot may be fired into the berm
once your 30 minute relay starts. Up to three sighting shots may then be fired, then 5 shots for score. 30 minute
relays at each distance. We use 3 man squads. The targets fired at are the NRA SR-3 300 yard target, SR 200 yd.
target and the NMLRA 6 bull target at 100 yds.
DUE TO SPACE LIMITATIONS, THE 2017 MATCH WILL BE LIMITED TO THE FIRST 12 PEOPLE
WHO PRE-REGISTER
http://www.michrpa.org/resources/Doc...zzleloader.pdf
RIFLES- Any safe production in-line muzzleloader. Weight of scope and rifle not to exceed 12 lbs.
BULLETs /SABOTS- Any lead or jacketed bullet enclosed in a sabot. A sabot must be used. No bore riding bullets
.
SIGHTS-Any iron sight or scope.
PROPELLANT-Black powder or any black powder substitute. NO SMOKELESS POWDER.
PRIMER-#11 cap, musket cap, 209 primer or primed ctg. case ignition.
FIRING POSITION- Prone using any easily portable front rest such as sandbags, x-sticks, bi-pod etc. Rear shoulder support only. No artificial rest under the rifle butt.
COURSE OF FIRE-In-line M/L class. 300, 200 and 100 yards prone. A fouling shot may be fired into the berm
once your 30 minute relay starts. Up to three sighting shots may then be fired, then 5 shots for score. 30 minute
relays at each distance. We use 3 man squads. The targets fired at are the NRA SR-3 300 yard target, SR 200 yd.
target and the NMLRA 6 bull target at 100 yds.
DUE TO SPACE LIMITATIONS, THE 2017 MATCH WILL BE LIMITED TO THE FIRST 12 PEOPLE
WHO PRE-REGISTER
03-20-2017, 07:39 PM
#20
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
Its a local (state) event and as far as i know its not a NMLRA event. I dont see any reference to the NMLRA at all actually on their website. http://www.michrpa.org/