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muzzlestuffer 03-16-2016 07:17 PM

t/c big boar lock
 
anybody have there locks worked on ? iv'e done all the polishing i can on my trigger group and my lock parts i haven't put a scale on it but it has got a lot better but would like to shed a couple pounds off the weight i would say it's probably about 6 lbs right now i'll put a trigger scale on it tomorrow. so can anybody recommend a good lock guy that will not make it unsafe ? or is there a aftermarket lock that would fit ? thanks !!

Muley Hunter 03-17-2016 07:33 AM

Should be in the traditional forum.

muzzlestuffer 03-17-2016 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4250525)
Should be in the traditional forum.

yep could be in a few different locations ?

bronko22000 03-17-2016 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by muzzlestuffer (Post 4250553)
yep could be in a few different locations ?

I agree...even gunsmithing or guns or....

muzzlestuffer 03-17-2016 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by bronko22000 (Post 4250559)
I agree...even gunsmithing or guns or....

i meant it could belong here in black powder as well. don't people with t/c big boar rifles go on this thread. isn't a t/c big boar a black powder rifle ?

Semisane 03-17-2016 06:00 PM

Well muzzlestuffer, I don't know why the replies took a left turn rather than addressing your question. But then I was one of the few who saw no need for, or value in splitting the forums. So my opinion may be prejudiced.

First off, I don't know of anyone who does that kind of work. I'm sure there are a few guys out there who do that. It may take some Googling and emails to track one down.

Second. if you feel you must replace the lock, Track of the Wolf sells L&R replacement locks for TC guns. They are not cheap though.

Third, In my opinion a 6 lb. trigger on a sidelock hunting rifle is not fatal so long as it breaks clean with no creep or crunch. It may not be ideal, but it's one of those things you can live with and learn to use effectively. You might be able to get it a bit lighter with some silicone spray lubricant on the lock internals.

bronko22000 03-17-2016 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by muzzlestuffer (Post 4250582)
i meant it could belong here in black powder as well. don't people with t/c big boar rifles go on this thread. isn't a t/c big boar a black powder rifle ?

I only added my 2 cents because maybe someone in the gunsmithing or gun forum could give you a name.
And Semi is right, L&R does make a lock for the T/C.
I recall having an issue with my one Hawken and it turned out the "arm" (for lack of a better term) on the lock that tripped the sear was contacting the bottom of the stock recess just ever so slightly. Check your stock and see if there is a slight rub mark there.

muzzlestuffer 03-17-2016 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 4250605)
Well muzzlestuffer, I don't know why the replies took a left turn rather than addressing your question. But then I was one of the few who saw no need for, or value in splitting the forums. So my opinion may be prejudiced.

First off, I don't know of anyone who does that kind of work. I'm sure there are a few guys out there who do that. It may take some Googling and emails to track one down.

Second. if you feel you must replace the lock, Track of the Wolf sells L&R replacement locks for TC guns. They are not cheap though.

Third, In my opinion a 6 lb. trigger on a sidelock hunting rifle is not fatal so long as it breaks clean with no creep or crunch. It may not be ideal, but it's one of those things you can live with and learn to use effectively. You might be able to get it a bit lighter with some silicone spray lubricant on the lock internals.

Thanks for replying to the question of the thread. Personally I can't stand a lousy trigger.I actually got it much better after working on it than when I bought it.it's much smoother and lighter I think it's the design of the lock more than anything else ? I tool the trigger itself apart and polished all the parts that touch each other and that helped as well.I also greased all the internals.I would much rather keep the original lock than buy a replacement. Thanks for advise I'll keep you informed.

muzzlestuffer 03-17-2016 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by bronko22000 (Post 4250609)
I only added my 2 cents because maybe someone in the gunsmithing or gun forum could give you a name.
And Semi is right, L&R does make a lock for the T/C.
I recall having an issue with my one Hawken and it turned out the "arm" (for lack of a better term) on the lock that tripped the sear was contacting the bottom of the stock recess just ever so slightly. Check your stock and see if there is a slight rub mark there.

thanks for the tip but i already checked that out. i was trying to avoid tampering with the sear myself that's why i only polished it i'm sure i could probably stone it down a bit but prefer not to go down that road. i'm really surprised that no one would not have had this issue and found out some info on a way to get these locks worked on. but i'll keep trying to find someone that works on them and knows what there doing. these gun's are already very accurate i wonder how much better after the locks are tuned up ? thanks !!

lemoyne 03-18-2016 06:04 AM

Different people like different solutions, I put set triggers on mine.

muzzlestuffer 03-18-2016 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by lemoyne (Post 4250658)
Different people like different solutions, I put set triggers on mine.

What set triggers will work in that gun ? Also set triggers probably will help but if the lock is not right not sure how much it will help ?
Thanks !

lemoyne 03-18-2016 05:16 PM

This is the one I used
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categ...17/1/TR-TC-HST
since mine only pulled 4 pounds before the double set triggers I can not say that they would trip a 6 # pull.

muzzlestuffer 03-18-2016 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by lemoyne (Post 4250838)
This is the one I used
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categ...17/1/TR-TC-HST
since mine only pulled 4 pounds before the double set triggers I can not say that they would trip a 6 # pull.

big boar is a single trigger not a double. i don't think that a double set will work .

lemoyne 03-19-2016 05:42 AM

In order to modify it I had to change to a different trigger guard and inletting. you also need to get the position and height correct. I have built Hawken rifles from a plank and parts so I did not find it any problem.

Blackpowdersmoke 03-19-2016 07:45 PM

Check out Dixon's Muzzleloading. If they won't do the work, which I'm sure they will, they'll at least steer you to the best place to have it done.

http://www.dixonmuzzleloading.com/

BPS

Blackpowdersmoke 03-19-2016 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 4250605)
Well muzzlestuffer, I don't know why the replies took a left turn rather than addressing your question. But then I was one of the few who saw no need for, or value in splitting the forums. So my opinion may be prejudiced.

PLEASE!! Let's not start beating that drum again! As far as I'm concerned it could be asked in multiple forums, including the gunsmithing forum.

BPS

muzzlestuffer 03-21-2016 04:18 PM

well i ended up doing it myself took it apart again today did a little more tuning on it with the stone and some polishing compound. interesting thing i put it back together with just some rem-oil and checked trigger pull and even though it felt smoother it felt heavier so i checked with trigger gauge and it was about 5-1/2 average so took it apart and used some s.s. slide lube/grease i had and checked it again and it came down to 3-3/4 ,4-1/4 i was surprised by the difference! it also felt much smoother and lighter better! any thoughts on the grease versus lube deal ?

Muley Hunter 03-22-2016 06:15 AM

Grease is probably ok where you live. In cold weather it might stiffen up.

bronko22000 03-22-2016 07:11 AM

how about graphite? but you would have to degrease the lock first. Otherwise you would have a mess.

Blackpowdersmoke 03-22-2016 07:53 AM

muzzlestuffer,

I don't think the grease you used will be a problem in the cold. If you want to find out, put your lock in your freezer for awhile then take it out and check it. It's not like you used wheel bearing grease...

BPS

Gm54-120 03-22-2016 08:15 AM

Moly paste or moly grease. You just need a tiny bit and wipe off the excess.

DuPont Krytox GPL 215 EP Grease with Molybdenum Disulfide, 0.5 oz Tube

Working temp down to -36C


muzzlestuffer 03-22-2016 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Blackpowdersmoke (Post 4251569)
muzzlestuffer,

I don't think the grease you used will be a problem in the cold. If you want to find out, put your lock in your freezer for awhile then take it out and check it. It's not like you used wheel bearing grease...

BPS

My post was not wether the grease would be ok in the cold temperature it was about the difference the grease made in my trigger pull weight compared to rem-oil. That would be a issue in a cold weather hunting situation that I am not concerned with now. Muley brought the cold issue up. Thanks bps !

muzzlestuffer 03-22-2016 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 4251585)
Moly paste or moly grease. You just need a tiny bit and wipe off the excess.

Working temp down to -36C


Where did you get it ?
Thanks !

Gm54-120 03-22-2016 08:28 AM

Amazon for about $14.50 a tube. Dupont makes a aerospace version of it too.

Honda sells a similar product that you can get at nearly any Honda dealer.

This stuff is 60% moly....a tiny bit goes a long way.


muzzlestuffer 03-22-2016 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 4251590)
Amazon for about $14.50 a tube. Dupont makes a aerospace version of it too.

Honda sells a similar product that you can get at nearly any Honda dealer.

This stuff is 60% moly....a tiny bit goes a long way.


Any odor to it ?

Gm54-120 03-22-2016 08:38 AM

I mix mine with Mobil 1 gear lube which kinda stinks to me. I never noticed the smell from the Honda moly paste but i never really paid attention to it.

I can tell you DONT GET IT ON YOUR HANDS. It takes days to wash it off.

muzzlestuffer 03-22-2016 08:05 PM

thanks guy's i'll give some a try !

muzzlestuffer 04-24-2016 07:00 PM

well i finally got to shoot the big boar today the trigger worked great so much nicer to shoot it's breaking right at 4lbs very little creep (i'll work on that) i sighted in with 80 grs.shutz ffg just in case i use it for elk this year i got drawn for rifle bull elk so really want to take one with the smokepole maybe my new rifle will be done in time for my nov 25th hunt i also would not hesitate to use the new .58 cal trapper pistol 30 yards or closer ? will have to find a good load for it but i'm sure it will shoot pretty well !!

lemoyne 04-24-2016 07:02 PM

Why from 2014?


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