I've never had bear, so can't say whether I'd like it or not.

But,,,
Liver & Onions - great dish with grits.
Venison - if you don't like it you haven't had it cooked properly or didn't process the meat properly after the kill.
Elk - haven't had much of it, but what I had was equal to quality beef.
Coon, possum, rattlesnake, alligator, duck, quail, dove, crawfish, oysters, garfish - all good.

Stuff I don't eat...... well, rocks and trees come to mind. :s2:

Pete - I'm telling you. A bear roast trimmed of all fat and rubbed with oil and seasoned with fresh ground black pepper and Johnny's seasoning salt then seared in a hot pan and placed in a pressure cooker with 2 cups of water, 3 beef bullion cubes, a bay leaf, a teaspoon of minced garlic and a slice or two of onion. Cook for 55-60 mins and let pressure drop by itself and you will have the tastiest meat you ever ate. And it will fall apart.
This is the same recipe I use for beef and venison. It's delicious.

BTW - how did we get from the effectiveness of the PRB to "the cooking forum"?

Not true. I know lots of people who don't like venison. The fact that you like liver and onions shows we have different taste.

Keep in mind mule deer around here feed on sage. A lot different than whitetails feeding on corn or apples.

It doesn't really matter. Bear hunting sucks around here. Too many hunters, and not enough bears. No baiting, so sneaking up on them with a lot of hunters around is a pain. Getting close enough for a PRB makes it worse. It's a rifle season, so i'm with rifle hunters who can take long shots. I also like to hunt up high at timberline. Bears aren't there, so I have to go lower for them where the majority of hunters are.
I'll just stick with elk. I know they taste good, and I can hunt in solitude up at timberline.

Pete brings up a great point (shows the old fart aint totally senile!), where a game animal lives and what it feeds on contributes greatly to how the meat is flavored.

Are you sure about that ain't totally senile? Just kidding of course!!!

mmmmmmm liver and onions!

There you go.

We all know Jon has no taste.

see how much of a mountain man you are?!! If you was a real mountain man you'd be cutting buffler hump off, dippin it into the pee juice and scarfing it down.

Which reminds me. I was given a big package of buffalo last night.

I know what's for supper tonight.

26 pages on the PRB.

Life is good. :biggrin:

Shows that the PRB is alive and doing well!

I like bison. The only thing is a lot of the cuts are pretty tough. Maybe because the only bison I ever had was from the two bulls I shot with archery gear.

Yes, it can be tough. I'm sure my buddy didn't give me backstraps. ;)

Bison is like pretty much every other meat animal Bronko, Females and young bulls are always more tender and, to me anyway, much better flavored than an older bull. I've come across only 2 exceptions to that rule in the North American game animals, Caribou and Sika. (Of course Sika aren't native to here since they were transplanted from Asia but they have a huntable population here in Southern US.) I've never had the meat from a Older Fallow buck but I am told they are pretty sporty as well. I know the Doe are quite tasty though :D

And I wonder how many have taken 8-10 heads of game with a ball... :)

To me a young cow elk is the best meat. My buddy shoots one every year, and gives me some. I love it.

I think it might be time for me to hunt for one.

I'm guessing not many.

4 Whitetail doe
2 Whitetail Bucks
3 Cow Elk
2 Bull Moose
2 Black Bear
10 or 12 Hogs

All this was a LONG time ago when I was heavily into BP and hunted primarily with that or my Recurve. The past year or so has seen me getting back into BP on the modern side of the scale. I sold all my old BP guns years ago (and I sorely regret 2 or 3 of those sales) except for the newer TC Hawken Frankenstein rifle with the GM 1:28 twist barrel and I bought a TC Pro Hunter system and purchased a .50cal barrel for that. While I no longer hunt with a PRB, I have the utmost respect for those that do as I know for a fact how close you need to get and how choosy one has to be with shot placement. That's mostly why I get so riled up when people with absolutely NO experience with a PRB setup step up in here railing against everyone who uses them saying they have no place in the hunting community.

Obviously Bob saying a PRB was unethical was pretty stupid. But I think he supplied a lot of other good information.

I was counting dead deer one afternoon, perched up in a tree stand and staring at the woods. I have easily taken more then 10 deer with roundball. Three in one year, two with one shot, and countless does that were were forced to shoot before we could hunt a buck. The roundball never seemed to have a problem harvesting any of them.

Back to buffalo/Bison. When we were visiting South Dakota one year, we went out to fish at Mobridge, and ended up touring the black hills too. I had a Bison steak that was out of this world at a restaurant. Tender, not dried out, just a real wonderful meal. Then the girlfriend and I stopped at a little cafe for lunch and had a buffalo burger. That has to be the most nasty thing I ever tried to eat. Normally I can stomach anything but that was one time I just refused to eat it. To be honest it kind of smelt funny. Yet we purchased some buffalo steaks to cook on our grill (we were camping) and while tough to chew were very good. Buffalo seemed to me to be a "guessing game of what you would eat."

I see you don't agree with my signature. :p

Sorry Grouse, he may possibly have provided some useful insight on some things but something said that is bright is left fairly dimmed when it follows something stupid.

Stupid?
 

I don't know. I have mentioned the problem I have with 3 deer that hang out on my property. I see them almost every day. They've been as close as 20-25 yards to me when I'm mowing my grass. I've taken the dogs outside when the deer are there, and nothing happens. Not that it couldn't; a Great Dane at full throttle covers ground really quickly. The deer are not hand tame, and I would not reduce their fear(?) of humans any more just to prove to myself that I could do it. I've watched the two fawns grow up this year, so in a way Pete and I have the same dilemma, only for him its the idea of shooting a calf elk.

Should I shoot one of them? Some would say yes, and I can't disagree with that assessment. I may do that someday. But as long as I have a question about whether or not it is the right thing to do, the crossbow will stay on the hooks. So it is with the PRB. I don't think it is right to use them, so I never have and never will. My scorecard is not about absolute numbers (most of you here seem to share that viewpoint) but about making the most good, clean shots. Someday in the not to distant future I will have gone on my last hunt, and in the days after that I want nothing but good memories. This means I must hunt in a manner that I consider ethical.

As Pete pointed out a few thousand posts ago, once you have a piece of archery gear that gives you complete passthroughs, any more is superfluous . No Matrix 405 for this old boy! Even with one of those, hitting where you want to requires knowing the range to the target. "Flat shooting" is a ludicrous concept with any sort of archery. So unless I can hunt in a manner that allows me to make use of a rangefinder, I'll go back and sit on the porch. If I can't do it right, I won't do it at all.

OldBob

I've got 2 bows in the locker that would argue that point strenuously. Both are set up with single pin usage from 0 to 40 yards. 4 inches difference in that range. Meaning I can hold center on pretty much any shot within 40 yards and decimate lungs on whitetail and up. So no, it isn't ludicrous by any means in the range of 40 yards and in. BTW, both those bows push my hunting rig arrows at approximately 311 and 317 fps. I don't shoot past 40 yards for pass through performance reasons. Past 40 yards and the odds of complete pass through lower quite a bit.

A single pin means it won't be more than 4" above or below center in 40yds? If that's the case. You can hardly call it flat shooting.

I take it to be a 4" drop from 10 to 40yds. Sounds pretty flat to me when thinking in terms of a bow.

Yes, w/plenty of gravy on top. But only store bought beef or chicken for me.

On another thread I started about game meats eaten, I listed Bison as one I'd like to try. Reading your post, I was t reminded of the Red Robin restaurant chain that use to sell bison burgers. Come to think of it, I've eaten 3 or 4 bison burgers. Theirs had less flavor than beef. It was still very good though, and quite lean. No doubt it's a very healthy meat.

Pete, 4 inches both above or below center would be 8 inches :D I meant, 4 inch drop from 0-40. If I hold center lung, I am basically holding for a 2 inch radius with 20 yards being dead center. Which is about as flat as one will get.

Single pins don't usually work that way. An arrow will drop more than that at 40yds.

If that was the case. Why do bow hunters all use range finders?

2" sure wouldn't matter, and there would be no need for multiple pins. Not many bow hunters shoot past that.

Even on a crossbow scope the BDC is marked every 10 yds.

Because most bows out there aren't that fast. The IBO speed's you see advertised are highly exaggerated because of how those IBO speeds are obtained. AMO speeds (which aren't published all too often) are more realistic speeds of bows fitted up with hunting arrows. Therefor you have more drop with those. The 2 bows I am referring to of mine are top of the line speed burners that your average hunters couldn't shoot accurately if their life depended on it without LONG hours of practice because they are extremely unforgiving. Very shallow Brace height highly exaggerates any fault in your form because the arrow is on the string longer after release than average hunting bows. A good range finder is always a good thing to have since in the heat of the moment, pinpointing range can be difficult even for the most accomplished of archers.

Basically when I was commenting on what Bob said, I was pointing out that as usual his "facts" were not up to snuff as there are many bows out there that shoot flat enough to make his statement of it being "ludicrous" incorrect.

I've taken 6 deer with the PRB. But that was many moons ago (mid 70's) when PA's primitive season only allowed the use of a round ball as the only legal projectile. They have since changed the law and now you can use any projectile. The only limitations is a rifle of .44 cal or larger and flintlock ignition and no telescopic sights.

An arrow will certainly drop more than 4" at 40 yds no matter how fast it goes. That is just physics. Arrows come off the string climb to the line of sight then fall as the trajectory completes as gravity takes over. To use a single pin successfully out to 40 yds the zero point (line of sight) has to be adjusted out past 20 yds to closer to 30. Similar to sighting in your ML to 2" high at 50 to be zero at 100. If you need more range then adjust higher at 50 to push the zero out. Arrow goes up then down. Total rise and drop will equal much more than 4" but it is possible to have a 4" drop at 40 from the zero point depending on the zero yardage. My own 1 pin set up is good to 33 yds. I know at 15-20 yds I will hit slightly high but still in the vitals.

I thought that's what I said? With a single pin the POI can't go out of the kill zone. Whether it's rising, or falling.

Same with any projectile if you want to hold dead on for all the distances to your max range. Otherwise you need to use hold over/under.

Lmao :lmao::popcorn:

Reading all these posts about not eating the meat of various critters, got me to thinking...... Who is closer to the real spirit of the mountain man, one who kills with a prb, and doesn't eat the meat, or one who kills using an AR type rifle, and does eat the meat of all the kills made??

The one who eats the meat to me.