Speer 300 gr. .452 Deep Curl????
 

Does anyone have these in stock? Can't seem to find them anywhere.

I haven't seen them in stock any place in a long time. I sure am glad I have about a hundred in reserve.

If you find them please let me know where. :D

I was hoping you guys had a secret spot. I have about 175 I stock just wanted to stock up on some more. Anybody know why they are so hard to find?

Maybe this time of year ammo manufacturers are focusing on hunting rounds and not components. Just a guess.

A while back I called and emailed Speer. Standard response (working 24/7, horders, etc.).

No, i don't know why, however i do have a theory. It is my thought that Speer is supplying ammunition in large quantities. This is fully utilizing their bullet production line. If you look around you will see that the 230g Gold Dot is available some places, and was available at other places. To me this indicates the bullet production focused on this Gold Dot, and not on the Deep Curl.

Me, i haven't purchased the 300g Deep Curl for many moons, but i have purchased hundreds of the 230g Gold Dot here recently. These Gold Dot will not be used in my rifle, but are being utilized for shooting in pistols.

Once upon a time, i used the 300g Deep Curl for target practice. Not anymore. These days i use the readily available 300g XTP for shooting paper, except for the last couple three shots before hunting, with the Deep Curl.

The 300g Deep Curl put many a deer into our freezer, and is revered. Tests done to compare bullets show the Deep Curl is a mighty fine bullet. It is a bullet that is accurate, and it flies well too. For me, the bullet has no negatives.

Searching for a replacement led me to using the 250g Hornady Monoflex. Using the same powder charge as used for the Deep Curl, the monoflex flies almost exactly the same as the Deep Curl. The monoflex seems to be a little more accurate than the Deep Curl. The tests done this past summer indicate the monoflex has very good terminal performance.

The 300g Deep Curl put many a deer into our freezer, and is revered. Tests done to compare bullets show the Deep Curl is a mighty fine bullet. It is a bullet that is accurate, and it flies well too. For me, the bullet has no negatives.

When you run out, use the 300 gr XTP. Neither deer nor elk will notice a difference. Just beware - the water jug testers that participate here might say otherwise.

I doubled checked all my sources and cant find any.


Have you considered the Sierra 458 300gr JHP as a temporary substitute?

Just to add a little bit - I shoot the Sierra that Scott is talking about quite a bit. I have not hunted with it but accuracy is great! and the bullets that I have looked at that I recovered from soil behind the target certainly would have done the job. Not all of them expanded perfectly some showed an odd deformed expansion - but the did expand and none were stripped copper from lead. I guess I should also add the Palouse dry clay is not an idea expansion mechanism.

I personally would use these all day versus the XTP line that have and will often strip themselves separating copper from lead. But even that can be beat to a certain extent just shoot nominal powder loads.

Sierra markets this bullet as being reliable at even old trapdoor speeds. Ive seen no reason to doubt this. They shoot very well sabotless which leads me to believe the lead is soft by jacketed bullet standards. Im fairly certain the jackets are thin and thats not necessarily a bad thing.

One of the guys on the MoWhitetails board (who is actually in Mich) swears by them vs the XTPs.

Would the XTP Mag 300's be a better choice as a replacement. Anyone have any experience with this bullet?

Those (or the regular non-mags) are the go-to bullets in my .50 in-lines when Deep Curls aren't available. I've had excellent results with them for both accuracy and performance on deer. I typically shoot both varieties over 85 grains GOEX.

While I think the Deep Curl is as good of a bullet as any in its class I think all of the .458 bullets are better because they are designed to be fired at the speeds muzzleloaders are shooting them at.

I may use XTP and other .452 and .451 bullets on Coyotes and stuff but on big game I am going with the .458 from here on out.

If it was me and i was looking at the XTPs in 300gr, i would just use the regular XTP. A regular 300gr XTP should exit most if not all the time on deer broadside shots and expansion will be more reliable as velocity drops at longer ranges.


Hornady 45 300gr XTP Retained 190g .792" expansion 100gr BH209 torture test


Weight retention could have been better but there was no jacket/core separation.

I have not been able to find the DC's in 300gr for some time. I also like the 270gr soft points in .429 but have been unable to find them as well. This goes back to spring of 2014 when I first started running low on DC's and have not been able to find them since. Who knows how long before that they became unavailable.

Though the 300gr have never failed me, they have broken apart on the last three deer I have taken with them (15 yards, 20 yards and about 75 yards all with a charge of 110gr BH209). I was very surprised by this as it has never happened before with the 300gr, 250gr or 270gr, so I wonder if I have a bad lot. The last one (75 yards) was very strange. I was on the same plane as the deer and the shoulder was the only thing I had a clear shot at. So the entrance was huge as usual but the exit very small…couldn't stick my finger in it. But I also had an exit wound between the shoulder blades directly on the top of his back! Found several pieces in the hide, too.