About those CVA muzzleloaders
08-03-2015, 04:07 PM
#41
Nontypical Buck
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Yes TC posted that problem MANY years ago as well as the FIX for it. It has to do with shimming between the cartridge and the breech face. Since just about every cartridge is a tiny bit different (some more than tiny) in thickness it is a physical impossibility to make a system with dead correct head spacing for every cartridge. This led to TC and Bellum coming out with corrective shims. This is a case not about ML'ers in the least bit.
08-03-2015, 04:14 PM
#42
Nontypical Buck
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Yes TC posted that problem MANY years ago as well as the FIX for it. It has to do with shimming between the cartridge and the breech face. Since just about every cartridge is a tiny bit different (some more than tiny) in thickness it is a physical impossibility to make a system with dead correct head spacing for every cartridge. This led to TC and Bellum coming out with corrective shims. This is a case not about ML'ers in the least bit.
08-03-2015, 04:25 PM
#43
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Comance county, OK
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Randy Wakeman is in the pockets of a Tulsa, OK ambulance chaser.
One of Rand Wakeman's "cases" is a guy who had a CVA gun blow up after loading a large volume charge of a medium burning rate smokeless powder.
i met a man who was on the range at the time of the wreck. He saw the smokeless powder can sitting on the range bench after the gun blew up. The witness thinks the powder was IMR 3031.
CVA sells more muzzleloaders than all other makers combined: Companies whose gun blow cant' do that.
One of Rand Wakeman's "cases" is a guy who had a CVA gun blow up after loading a large volume charge of a medium burning rate smokeless powder.
i met a man who was on the range at the time of the wreck. He saw the smokeless powder can sitting on the range bench after the gun blew up. The witness thinks the powder was IMR 3031.
CVA sells more muzzleloaders than all other makers combined: Companies whose gun blow cant' do that.
Last edited by falcon; 08-03-2015 at 04:28 PM.
08-03-2015, 04:31 PM
#44
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Bergara just makes the barrels. I'm not sure where the guns are assembled. Maybe in Spain too. Maybe they just target the US for the VA guns. We have 4 million ML hunters here. Plus, those who buy them to just plink. That's a pretty big market. Do they ML hunt in Spain? I don't really know. if they don't sell the guns in Spain, I don't think it's because they can't.
Yes they do ML hunt since a member in Spain on MML wants a ML to hunt in Spain. He found Ardesa and several of us told him the CVA rifles are better than Traditions aka Ardesa. You can even get a Vortek UL IIRC.
Nearly every country in Europe is required to meet CIP proof standards for all firearms including MLs. So if you sell a ML and claim its safe to shoot a 150gr load, it better be able to pass the proof requirements. Italy has some of the strictest standards but the Euro zone has a minimum for all MLs sold, imported or exported within the zone. There are almost no proof regulations on MLs exported to the USA though.
Now, im not jumping on the bash CVA bandwagon. I just find this very strange AND i would like to find a link for this member. His English is poor so just providing a website for him is the easiest.
I don't side with RW or TB on the vast majority of their "sponsored" opinions. The goof ball even dislikes 45cals.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 08-03-2015 at 04:33 PM.
08-03-2015, 04:43 PM
#45
Nontypical Buck
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Grouse, they are more of an accurizing thing than a necessity or safety issue. But there have been SOME folks trying to say that they have had head space problems and blowouts caused by excessive head space such as the fella tried in his lawsuit against TC that Pete posted. Here's a link that will show you what I'm talking about. It's a long drawn out thing but very informative. http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=172&
Edit to add: And yes the TC lawsuit that Pete posted was about TC's CENTER FIRE barrels.
Edit to add: And yes the TC lawsuit that Pete posted was about TC's CENTER FIRE barrels.
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08-03-2015, 04:48 PM
#46
Nontypical Buck
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Grouse, they are more of an accurizing thing than a necessity or safety issue. But there have been SOME folks trying to say that they have had head space problems and blowouts caused by excessive head space such as the fella tried in his lawsuit against TC that Pete posted. Here's a link that will show you what I'm talking about. It's a long drawn out thing but very informative. http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=172&
Edit to add: And yes the TC lawsuit that Pete posted was about TC's CENTER FIRE barrels.
Edit to add: And yes the TC lawsuit that Pete posted was about TC's CENTER FIRE barrels.
08-03-2015, 04:49 PM
#47
Nontypical Buck
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Randy Wakeman is in the pockets of a Tulsa, OK ambulance chaser.
One of Rand Wakeman's "cases" is a guy who had a CVA gun blow up after loading a large volume charge of a medium burning rate smokeless powder.
i met a man who was on the range at the time of the wreck. He saw the smokeless powder can sitting on the range bench after the gun blew up. The witness thinks the powder was IMR 3031.
CVA sells more muzzleloaders than all other makers combined: Companies whose gun blow cant' do that.
One of Rand Wakeman's "cases" is a guy who had a CVA gun blow up after loading a large volume charge of a medium burning rate smokeless powder.
i met a man who was on the range at the time of the wreck. He saw the smokeless powder can sitting on the range bench after the gun blew up. The witness thinks the powder was IMR 3031.
CVA sells more muzzleloaders than all other makers combined: Companies whose gun blow cant' do that.
There seems to be many CVA ambulances out there to chase.
Can you prove that anonymous person was truly at the range, or even a witness. The person saw a can of powder and THINKS it was 3031 Not a very good witness. If CVA has been contacted about potential lawsuits, don't you think they're going to break out that hush money. Sadly, many people would consider taking said money when they realize how long a case could drag on. That's one big way to get away from it. It's not all quality.
08-03-2015, 04:52 PM
#48
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
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Wake up and see reality, Pete. Randy is no one special to me. You've drank the Dudley Kool-Aid obviously. You were given a chance to prove that information was wrong. You couldn't do it. Instead, you post 1 ridiculous lawsuit claim that Super exposed as questionable in facts. It's not just Randy, either, as you already know. Face it: You're wrong and you have nothing but a pointless argument. You really should try to be more useful.
I also didn't accept anything from Dudley. Just show the other side of the debate. I know i'd believe him over Randy on any subject, but especially about CVA. I'm not stupid. If I thought CVA had a problem with their present guns I wouldn't buy one. I also wouldn't recommend anybody else buy one, but I do. It's a lot of gun for the money. I'd prefer is was made in the US, but I wish my TV was too. Anybody own a US made TV?
Some of you can rag on CVA if you want. It doesn't change it from being a good gun.
08-03-2015, 04:56 PM
#49
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
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There are shooters whom don't have sense about excess powder charges or proper powder types-smokeless, BP or subs.
There seems to be many CVA ambulances out there to chase.
Can you prove that anonymous person was truly at the range, or even a witness. The person saw a can of powder and THINKS it was 3031 Not a very good witness. If CVA has been contacted about potential lawsuits, don't you think they're going to break out that hush money. Sadly, many people would consider taking said money when they realize how long a case could drag on. That's one big way to get away from it. It's not all quality.
There seems to be many CVA ambulances out there to chase.
Can you prove that anonymous person was truly at the range, or even a witness. The person saw a can of powder and THINKS it was 3031 Not a very good witness. If CVA has been contacted about potential lawsuits, don't you think they're going to break out that hush money. Sadly, many people would consider taking said money when they realize how long a case could drag on. That's one big way to get away from it. It's not all quality.
08-03-2015, 04:56 PM
#50
Spike
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 54
I have a CVA Eclipse I have been shooting for over 10 years. It has never blown up.
If you do not like your CVA guns, please send them to me.
If you do not like your CVA guns, please send them to me.