Knight Elite not so...
 

I have just bought a new to me Elite 50.

Today I went to the range to shoot one of the most accurate muzzleloader ever made... :eek2:

Shot BH209 with Win209 and SST200, SST 250, SST300 (the last two with MMP-12 and MMP24).

The best groupe I can make at 110yds was for each bullet, 2.25'', 2.75'' and 2.38''

We ear lots of good thing about this gun but is mine should be consider below average?

Any idea what I should do?

Thanks

It sounds like your holding the barrel when shooting?? Or pushing down on it. That will cause right around 2" groups. You need to hold the stock not the barrel especially with the Elites.

No no, I am using sand bags and let the rifle sit on it. I hold the grip lightly second hand on the rear bag and let the rifle recoil.

Being a 22LR competition rifle shooter, I would say handling technique is ok. :cool2:

What did you clean the bore with? Some used ML purchases require a good cleaner to remove buildups of carbon, lead or copper.

BTW.... I would be happy with your groups. I shoot offhand mostly.

Lol, glad to hear that. I learned the hard way.

Not sure about yours since there wasnt much info on bullet , powder , etc but the below link shows what my Elite does , and they are one of the most accurate . You just need to find the right load .

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/399538-knight-disc-elite-blackhorn.html

4 shot 100 yards group

[/URL

LOL, I would be happy with those groups from a frontstuffer.

That said, you can't just go out and shoot one session and find the sweet spot of a given muzzy, even one of the "most accurate". I usually start at about 90 gr of BH 209, shoot three times, then try 95, 100, 105, 110. That along with trying different bullets and primers.

I think you just have more work.

Might be a stupid question here, but did you try different powder loads? I know my loader tends to spread out a bit with light loads. It really likes them fairly hot. She REALLY likes it hot with the BH209. Pyro RS anything under 105gr (volume) and it looks like a shotgun pattern.

for the 200SST, I shot 100grVol to 130grVol

For the 250, 100 to 120

For the 300, 100 to 110 and stop cause it was an 8'' group.

Maybe I have to much expectation but my MHC shoot under an inch and my Disc Ext 45 does 1.25''.

I'll shoot it again but I was just runing out of idea.

Thanks

You probably got a Lemon . I will take it off your hands :)

Lol, I was thinking the same thing😉

Is the stock screw tight? Did you check your bases and rings? Are you using a standard plug or Lehigh plug? Could be the ventliner is eroded.

I almost overhaulin it.

Stock screw tight.

New bases and rings in lock-tight

Ajusted trigger

New regular breech plug

:confused:

Is the barrel off the stock? You should be able to slide a dollar down it pretty easy.

Maybe your ruler shrunk?

I'd try less powder. 90 grains. But honestly, sub 3 " groups at 110 yards is what these guns shoot. You can do better with tweaking on a calm day, if you really know your gun. It just doesn't happen all the time in my experience.

From all the reports on this particular model muzzleloader, sub 1.5" is to be expected. Like every other firearm on the planet, his is being a little particular about what it eats. Might try a full bore connie and see how that works out for you. Could be it doesn't like BH209. Could be any number of things. Looks to me like it's just going to take some "play time" to find the right load. That's part of the fun aint it?

New rifle, first time shooting it??

That may have not been a bad day after all. Did you give the barrel time to sufficiently cool between shots?

There are days, yup days, that everyone will have rather they care to admit it or not. It happens to everyone, even those who hold standing records. I'd suggest more shooting........

thanks guys for all these ideas.

I'll try conical, 777 and Pyrodex.

Maybe was just a bad day, I'll wait for a cooler one though. Was 64f yesterday.

I'll keep you informed.

If you have checked the mounting screws and bedding as well as scope blocks and rings then the next step would be to check the button for nicks and scratches and the rifling in the end of the barrel for ramrod wear off center. Also if the gun has ever been dropped on the scope and the scope tube is bent the least bit the parallax from it can cause this problem.

110 to 120 blackhorn and that 250 gr SST should give you touching shots . If not then my best guess would be a ding in the crown . Doesnt take much of a ding from cleaning to create problems . I think most flyers that are unexplained are crown problems that arent big enough to be Noticable but are big enough to cause flyers . Thats my best guess if all else fails . Another range session will probably indicate if it just isnt shooting any better than the first time out ,

Things that have helped to shrink my groups with my rifles

-A good cleaning with JB bore paste
-Harvester smooth black sabots for 300gr bullets or less
-Knurl the bullets
-As outside air temp increases, longer cool down time before loading for subsequent shots

My Disc Elite 50 regularly shoots 1" groups at 100 yds. It has an adjustable trigger set at 2 lbs and the Lehigh bare primer breech plug. My best groups have been with 110 gr. BH 209, a regular Winchester 209 primer, a Harvester 300 gr PT gold and Black crush rib sabot, which is my go to hunting load. The Hornady 300gr SST, with the same components is also very accurate. I prefer the Harvester bullet over the SST, because it doesn't blow up like the Hornady.