Why do I think of a toilet when I read that?

A lull in the water wars is filled with poetry and song.

Semi...

You just have an entirely too active mind!

And they didn't always have soap and water available. Seems as though I read somewhere at some point in time, that the Mountain Men were prone to urinating down the barrels of their rifles as a crude form (if you will) of flushing them. Especially in the dead of winter when streams, rivers, and lakes were locked up with ice and procuring water by any means other than melting snow was difficult.

BPS

All you soap and water users for the past 20-30 years, shooting various conicals and sabot/bullets, should buy a real solvent and bore brush. Then you will be shocked / your mouth will drop, seeing what comes out of that barrel, when properly cleaned.

I've even seen instances where I asked the former ML owner how long ago he used bore butter, because some came out of his barrel that I recently cleaned -- from when he used bore butter 12-15 years ago. Yet he continued to use/fire, clean and store that ML every year after the switch to gun oil storage and continued to bathe it in soap and water.

Heck we even had a lesson this past week with a member here selling his gun and probably never knew the lands and grooves were stuffed with plastic from sabots.

Lesson is to use good products and proper techniques to remove what doesn't belong inside that bore. You don't pay $600 for the ML and 50 cents for the cleaner.

Again, I'm done here. Use whatever crap you want inside your bores. Wonderful iprovements and technology are out there. If you choose to ignore it, then prepare yourself for the new purchaser of your sold ML to inform you of what came out of the bore, when properly cleaned.

I'm sure most of us are talking about traditional sidelocks, and most of us are shooting a PRB. You seem to be talking about inlines, and modern bullets. The OP has a sidelock, and is shooting a PRB.

If I do shoot an all lead conical in a sidelock i'll use a bronze brush, and maybe some Hoppe's 9 to loosen up the lead first. Then i'll flush, because it's the best way to clean out the breech channel. This won't be often, because i'll use a PRB 99.9% of the time.

I think you are correct Muley, I never used bore butter or any other concoction, I use spit wet patches for round balls so no plastic has ever gone down or came out of my barrel and I will continue to use hot soapy water and not worry about it. Now as for those frontloading modern rifles that are just a centerfire without a cartridge but with a modern primer, that are being passed off as a weapon for primitive seasons, never had to clean one, and most likely never will

Colorado actually banned inlines for one year. They got so much pressure they buckled in, and allowed them. It does show that they would prefer to keep the muzzleloader season primitive, as it was originally intended.

They also thought about banning BH 209, but never did it for the same reason. Too much pressure.

Yes I'm with you Muley, if I've been shooting solid lead conicals, and I do, I usually run a few wet alcohol patches first then saturate a patch with Kroil and pass it up and down the bore. Let it sit for a half hour or so and then a Kroil patch again followed by a bronze brush. Man that Kroil will really loosen leading. They don't call it the "oil that creeps" for nothing. Then of course, I flush and dry as usual.

I only ever owned one 'true" in-line with a removable breech plug. It was a Traditions E-bolt with a satin nickel finish and black synthetic stock. It's also the only muzzleloading rifle that I ever fired a Powerbelt or sabot/bullet combo through. It was a good shooter and I did take a doe with it once, but it never felt like I was hunting with a muzzleloader any of the times I used it so I gave it to a good friend who has done a lot for me over the years. He loves it and uses it every season in NY.

BPS

Latey I've been keeping four cleaners in my supplies room. Kroil, Ballistol, Birchwood-Casey 2 In 1 Cleaner and the heavy-duty Barnes CR-10, which I only use once a year.

My storage protectors are either WD-40 Specialist or Birchwood-Casey Barricade.

When my rifles are either new or I purchase a used one, they get many laps of JB Bore Paste, sometimes 50 laps