3-12 at the Farm - It Works
 

Actually it works better than I thought it would! I think?

After gaining more personal interest in these new XP bullets especially this new .452x250 with the larger flutes and with some addition information gained on DOUG's board; I really wanted to run out and conduct another test.

It seemed to me that I had about 1 to 1 1/2 of dead time this afternoon that I might be able to run to the farm. I am retired and suppose to have all this spare time but it does not ever seem to work that way...

This morning I headed to my garage shop with the thought of mixing up a solution that I could pour into a gallon milk jug. I did not want to use straight water as I have done many times in the past - I really wanted something that was liquid but had a thicker consistency like you might find in the internal organs of an animal. So I mixed 4 quarts of very fine sawdust with 5 quarts of water. I kept mixing and diluting the mixture until I had the thickness of mix that I thought might be equal to the contents in the chest cavity organs. It ended up being think enough that I could stand a large wooden spoon up in the solution and it would just stand there on its own. In my mind I was thinking now if I put this solution in a gallon milk jug, the jug would act much like cell or organ wall. But of course the plastic milk jug was actually stronger than organ wall.

It was my thought I really wanted to see if a solid bullet passing and turning through the solution would create enough pressure to burst the milk jug. I have done this in the past with straight water using HPoint bullets - it would certainly rupture the jug but it never was or seamed real explosive.

I took my Mountianeer 50, which I have not shot for couple of years now, because Grouse convinced Knight to build the Ultra-Lite, and the Ultra-Lite has or often is the go-to rifle.

I set the jug of medium on a plastic bucket at 80 yards from the bench. I also setup 3 clay pigeons to shoot first to verify POI from the Mountaineer, which I am very glad I did because the impact point was very high. Got the scope adjusted and running out of time I decided to take the shot...

This is a composite group of pictures...



It was somewhat explosive... I did not get to see it happen next time I will as I am going to do the Ron thing and video it. It did far more than rupture the jug. There was enough downward force created by the bullet to cause the rupture of the bottom of the bucket that target was sitting on. There was enough force to move the target and bucket a distance. There was enough force and rotation to collect material in the flutes and spiral it out several feet from the target. With all of this 'explosiveness' I also know it would have all been contained inside the chest cavity - it certainly is not going to blow up a deer but it is certainly going to be destructive in the chest cavity. I felt the gallon jug laying on it's side would be near the width of the internals of a deer. And as Lehigh Dave suggested it probably only made a 1/2 of a rotation in that distance.

I have another scheme planned but do not know when I will get a chance to try it. Gotta WORK next week!

That's pretty interesting Sabotloader.

It would be neat to see a comparison of that mix with 250 grain XTPs or Deep Curls. Maybe even a .54 round ball.

A very interesting material and test. Some very impressive results. Any idea what the velocity of that bullet was with 120 grains of powder?

2022 FPS with BH209

The Triple Seven mag pellet box says that two of the 60 grain pellets in a 26" barrel will produce over 2000 fps with a 250 grain bullet. He may have been using loose, tho.

If I had some steel jacketed bullet I try one just to see what the comparison would look like. I have thought at a number of different times how nice it would be to have a standard to compare what a bullet does too. If there were any available a sharp pointed bullet of the same weight and caliber would show the difference to a basic standard.

That was explosive. And without expansion too. So you get a massive wound channel and deep penetration. It has to be the design of the flutes. Looks like Leigh is on to something here.
This bullet may be just the ticket for those errant shots that go a little wide and hit the shoulder. (Not any of mine of course. But for the likes of Semisane and others.. :) )

Semi in this particular test I think most any hunting bullet might have done nearly the same thing. It was my surprise that this solid -non-expanding bullet would do what it did. I really thought I might get the same rupture that I normally got with straight water. I guess I never expected it to be able to generate the force it did in the 9" of a milk jug. That was the surprise to me.

What MIGHT really set this bullet apart from the others is what it could do in the rest of the story. It might be that this bullet can shoot through the thickest of hides and bone with out deforming enter the chest cavity and do its thing and then continue on out of the body on the other side through the bone and hide of the opposite creating another would channel. Where many expanding bullets especially lead copper bullets might fail or come apart.

I have never shot a hog but have been told that frontal shots with normal bullets can sometimes be difficult - I am thinking with this particular bullet that may not be a problem. And in my case a bull elk covered with mud... The only bullet that ever survived that one were Nosler Partitions. Have not had that opportunity for a muddy bull with a Lehigh/Bloodline yet.

Anyway so hope some of this makes sense.

Dave I did not shoot through a chrono but from previous tests at my elevation I believe it was right at 1950 fps. @ the muzzle