t/c renegade
 

what are the recommended min and max powder loads for the renegade .54 CAL using pyrodex ff

im itching to take it out but don't want to damage it or get injured

PRB, or conical?

In a .54 Renegade, and using Pyrodex RS, you won't get into any trouble with loads up to 120 grains regardless of projectile. But your most accurate and comfortable shooting loads will likely be somewhere in the 70 to 90 grain range.

upstateNYhunter,

The T/C handbooks recommend 60-120 gr of FFg black powder for the 230 gr round ball in their .54 caliber rifles with 120 gr listed as the MAX load. It's pretty much the same for Pyro RS. You could also try FFFg black which will give you a little more velocity as it burns faster. Start with 60 gr and shoot 5 shot groups (swab between shots) raising the charge in 5 gr increments until you've achieved the smallest group. When the group starts to open up, you'll know which charge gives you the best accuracy for the specific charge (and type) of powder you're using. Keep in mind that the thickness of the patch and the type of lube you're using are also factors to consider so it pays to experiment. You can also try a .535 ball vs the standard .530 round ball.

The handbook recommends 90-120 gr charges for the Maxi-Ball and Maxi-Hunter solid conical bullets ranging from 365 gr weight of the Maxi-Hunter (round nose semi-hollow point design) to 435 and 540 gr weights for the Maxi-Ball (taper nosed design) again, the type of powder and lube you're using will give varying results. The LEE REAL bullet is another good conical to consider trying if you prefer conicals.

You'll probably find that charges between 70-100 gr will give you the best accuracy with one being the "sweet spot" that gives you the best. Personally, I wouldn't waste time and powder on max loads as they're nothing more than that... a waste of time and powder. You're not gonna hurt the rifle with any of the recommend charges, but if you start pushing those heavy conicals with heavy charges, you're gonna realize real quick that they're NOT comfortable to shoot!

So go out there and start shooting and have fun! :happy0001:

BPS

thank you all i will be firing orb and conical (most likely powrbelt

At what ranges are you expecting to shoot while hunting? Do you hunt forested hardwoods or do you prefer to watch fields? I usually tailor my rifles loads to 75 yds. because that's usually the max distance I can shoot in the woods I hunt. I don't care to watch fields or large open areas, I prefer to keep things "up close and personal".

BPS

If you are shooting a powerbelt, I would stay in the 90-100 gr load range. Soft lead bullets like powerbelts do better if you don't push them too hard. Using one of their bigger ones in the 400 range maybe up to 110 gr, but with that big of a bullet, there is no reason to use that much.

Powerwise there is no reason to exceed 100 gr. My elk load this year will be 90 gr of 777, which is roughly equivalent to 103 gr of pyrodex

When I shot powerbelts out of my Renegade, I had to keep it around 80 grains. Anymore and they would spray all over the place. For roundball, 80-90 grains is my hunting load.

I always shot 100 gr pyrodex with a 435 gr maxiball from my Renegade. They shot very well, and as long as you got your cheek on the run right, recoil was not bad at all.

I might just take it to the woods this year.

The TC manual has lots of good information.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/166452097/...dr-Guns-Manual

With a 430 grain Maxie and 100 grains of pyrodex powder in my Renegade, recoil was nasty any way you looked at it.

I can remember one afternoon shooting my .54 Renegade and friends stopped over. Well their youngest was a PITA. All he kept saying is.. "I want to shoot it. Can I shoot it." over and over and over. Finally I asked his Dad and said, can he shoot the rifle? His Dad said... sure go ahead. So I dumped 120 grains of Pyrodex RS down it and 426 grain BUFFALO BULLET conical. Needless to say, when junior touched it off and it smacked him in the nose and knocked him out of the chair, that was then end of begging to shoot the rifle anymore.

Windsor..........I don't doubt it. A 370gr maxiball with 75gr of Goex Olde Eynsford smacks me pretty good in my .50 Renegade.

Pretty lame. He was just a kid who wanted to shoot a gun. Weren't you that way as a kid?

When I was young I knew enough to mind my manners, not to beg because I was not getting my way, and to NEVER interrupt adults that were engaged in things other then watching some kids world not go round the way he wanted it to. And never to be a PITA.

Maybe I was raised different. Had I been his age and tried to pull that kind of stunt in front of my father.. I wouldn't have shot a gun, but I would have still picked my self off the ground. In my own defense, I would have never done anything to actually or intentionally hurt him. If I had felt for a second it would injure him, I wouldn't have done it. But.. It did get his attention though.

Smacked him in the nose, and knocked him off the chair.

It doesn't sound like you were far from hurting him. Imagine what sort of blow it would have to be to do that to you?

I understand the kid was being a brat, but that's no reason to hurt him.

I have shot the same load. And true, its uncomfortable to say the least. Since the rifle was not scoped, I knew he'd get no scope eye out of it. And I should not admit this to you as you will get bent out of shape, but.. It was kind of funny to watch him finally get to shoot, as he so demanded. And maybe it was not the right thing to do, even the smart thing to do, but I did it. I take the responsibility for it. And would have taken the responsibility had be been hurt. I truly detest children and young people, even adults for that matter, that think they can scream their way to attention. When did children become so pushy? And since this has no bearing on helping this person with loads for his Renegade, this will be my last post on the subject.

Dave,

Children became pushy when the schools dropped their corporal punishment policies and their milk-toast parents stopped spanking their @$$es!! It's really no different than our Government is anymore... there's no accountability.

BPS

It's still sort of on topic. Now he knows what load he shouldn't shoot. :D

btw I hate pushy kids. I would have smacked his dad for bringing him up that way.

In both my 54 Renegades I tried from 70 to 120 with a .530 and a .535 ball both shot the tightest group at 125 yds with a .535 ball and 110 gr. of RS Pyrodex, my custom built .54 also likes this load best. With a .54 it is my opinion that a PRB is adequate for all medium size game I have take over 100 deer 6 hogs and 11 black bear with mine.
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