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Knight Disc Extreme
Who's shooting the Knight Disc Extreme, and what are some longer range accuracy loads you like?
What powder, in your experience, has the best accuracy combined with the least clean-up/maintenance factors in your opinion? Particularly something for the shooter that doesn't shoot that often, but wants things to go smooth when they do. Is it a 250 yard gun? Pellet powder users? Leupold 4.5 - 14 x 40 Long Range reticle? |
My Extreme is good to at least 250 yard. A load i had good luck with is 110g Blackhorn Powder, 300g 44 caliber XTP, smooth green Harvester sabot, W209 primer. When i first shot this rifle, i was disappointed in the accuracy. Glass bedding, seemed to make a very big difference. Oh, and i always use the bare primer plug, and adapter.
Cleaning the rifle is no hassle. When i shoot the rifle things generally go smooth with no issues. Trying to use regular scopes with them fancy reticles just frustrated me; they are set up for much faster velocity than the 1925 fps, i get out of mine. The scope on the Extreme now, is a 1.5-5 VX3 that was purchased from Leupold Custom Shop with a CDS dial modification. When i shoot 250 yard, i twist the elevation dial to 2.5, and have at it; it works, yes it does. |
I shot the Disc 45 most of the year. My gun likes 110 grains of Blackhorn 209 with a Bloodline 200 grain in a Harvester light blue crush rib. I killed a nice 9 point at two hundred and seventy six yards this year. The 185 Bloodline works well with 100 grains of Blackhorn. Easy clean up. I tried a prototype 150 bloodline in front of 150 grains of Blackhorn. It was clocked at a little over 2700 but had no accuracy. The same bullet with 100 grains of Blackhorn is a three shot one hole gun. Good Luck
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I us 290gr tez in Harvester black crush rub sabot 110gr BH209 CCI 209M primer
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With practice, its a 250 yard gun.
i shoot my 45 with a 200 grain SST to 200 with good results. I don't have a range further. 110 of BH 209, Wichester 209, Harvester smooth blue. Out of the 50 it will shoot most anything well. I like 300 grain bullets and have used several but it likes the .452 diameter with a Harvester long smooth black sabot. |
Loose powder, load development and you should be good to go for 200yds shots. Further that it is possible but you will need range time....
BTW, mon MHC shoots moa with .40 200grSST, 115gr BH209, W209 .45 250grSST, 110gr BH209, W209 .45 300grMZ, 100gr BH209, W209 Good luck |
I see that Sportsman's Guide has a .52 caliber, 26 inch stainless steel barrel, composite stock Knight Disc Extreme rifle for $300.00. Even less if you are a guide member. I had to laugh because the Optima was just as much as the Extreme.
If I had to buy a large game, long distance shooting rifle, this might be what I would select. From all I have read they are good shooters, lots of knock down, and guaranteed to 200 yards accurate. |
I shoot MZ only and have 3 Knights; a Long rang hunter, a master hunter and a disc elite. All have target triggers, good scopes and the LRH has been glass bedded and the other 2 have composite stocks. All 3 have Lehigh bare primer breech plugs. My base loads all start with 110 gr(vol) of BH 209, CCI 209M primers and Harvester Crush Rib sabots(black or yellow depending on bullet choice). By a small margin the 300 gr Harvester PT Gold is my most accurate load, followed closely by the Hornady 300 gr SST bullet and the 290 gr Barnes Spit Fire TMZ boat tail. All 3 produce 1 inch or better groups @ 100 yds. My LRH with the Harvester bullet has produced a .297 inch 3 shot group at a 100 yds. The deer where I hunt in S. Texas have smaller bodies than elsewhere, so I've been using the SST the last 3 years with great results. I use the other 2 bullets for larger deer, elk etc. I have no hesitancy in taking a 175 yd. shot, but you're really pushing the envelope after that. I prefer to pass a good animal beyond 200 yds that wound it and spend 2 days tracking it. If u want to shoot much at that range you need to spend a lot of range time and experiment with what your rifle shoots best. Ballistic tables are no substitute for bench time and lots of note taking. Good luck
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I am in the process of having the action glass bedded and the barrel free floated. The gunsmith and I are coming up with some ideas for adapting the ram rod cleat to grip from either side, rather than push up from the bottom against the barrel.
Ronlaughlin, I would be interested in knowing more about that scope. My rifle is a .50 cal. Harvester seems to be a brand a lot of folks have found reliable. BH209 seems to be the powder. Anybody have experience using the pellet powders? |
First you could purchase the 4.5-14 X 40 scope set up for the Custom Dial System (cds dial). This includes a 'free' dial, which will be engraved for your particular load/rifle. Once you know your load, it's muzzle velocity, and how it flies, you would contact Leupold, and relay to them, the specifics, for your own cds dial.
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Knight Disc Extreme and LRH
I have researched everything I can on Blackhorn 209 and Knight Muzzleloaders. I can not get either gun to ignite BH209 I bought the CCI 209 M primers like Blackhorn recommended. The LRH is no FPJ it’s just the 209 primer breech plug system and still nothing just the primer got pop and nothing. Tried it in my Disc extreme with FPJ and first try primer goes off and nothing. Second try primer fires and then bam the BH209 ignited but I felt the delay. Im hoping my fellow hunters on here can help me out because I read message after message on here and everyone loves their BH209 in the same guns I can’t get to fire the stuff! Thank you in advance any help would be greatly appreciated ~ Freddy |
Freddie, I am not familiar with all knight rifles. Is yours an inline? Does it have a breech plug made for 209? Inlines are NOT recommended to shoot 209 and 209 rifles take a special breech plug. . But if yours is set up to shoot 209, swap over to Winchester blue box primers.
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Originally Posted by Freddy531
(Post 4361138)
I have researched everything I can on Blackhorn 209 and Knight Muzzleloaders. I can not get either gun to ignite BH209 I bought the CCI 209 M primers like Blackhorn recommended. The LRH is no FPJ it’s just the 209 primer breech plug system and still nothing just the primer got pop and nothing. Tried it in my Disc extreme with FPJ and first try primer goes off and nothing. Second try primer fires and then bam the BH209 ignited but I felt the delay. Im hoping my fellow hunters on here can help me out because I read message after message on here and everyone loves their BH209 in the same guns I can’t get to fire the stuff! Thank you in advance any help would be greatly appreciated ~ Freddy Are you sure your Breechplug is BH Compatible? Are you seating your Bullets HARD on the Powder? Are you using an Over powder Wad? If so, what Type of Wad? I have a Friend in Tennessee that Had BH209 FAIL MISERABLY using Wool Felt Wads, when he switched to Vegetable Fiber the Problem went away. With Wool Felt Wads he Had Some Complete Fail to Fires, Hangfires, and Partial Fires, He Told me that there was Hardly any felt Recoil? The Bullet didn’t make it to the Target (BH209 will Start to ignite, and will actually Go out if there is not enough Compression) |
Originally Posted by Freddy531
(Post 4361138)
I have researched everything I can on Blackhorn 209 and Knight Muzzleloaders. I can not get either gun to ignite BH209 I bought the CCI 209 M primers like Blackhorn recommended. The LRH is no FPJ it’s just the 209 primer breech plug system and still nothing just the primer got pop and nothing. Tried it in my Disc extreme with FPJ and first try primer goes off and nothing. Second try primer fires and then bam the BH209 ignited but I felt the delay. Im hoping my fellow hunters on here can help me out because I read message after message on here and everyone loves their BH209 in the same guns I can’t get to fire the stuff! Thank you in advance any help would be greatly appreciated ~ Freddy Q/A No. 18 https://www.blackhorn209.com/faqs/ |
clean the carbon buildup out of the breechplug and I bet it will ignite no problem. Knights don’t need any type of special breechplug. They shoot Blackhorn fine out of the box. Lots of threads on how to clean the breechplug plus it’s on Blackhorn website so no need for me to rehash that. you also need a tight fitting Bullet seated good |
Originally Posted by Mike Salyards
(Post 4361139)
Freddie, I am not familiar with all knight rifles. Is yours an inline? Does it have a breech plug made for 209? Inlines are NOT recommended to shoot 209 and 209 rifles take a special breech plug. . But if yours is set up to shoot 209, swap over to Winchester blue box primers.
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I talked to the people at Knight and Blackhorn. The people at night told me that the breech plugs in the LRH and Disc Extreme are too short to ignite BH209 and the Mountaineer and ultra light will ignite BH209 every time. They said it’s 50/50 chance any Disc extreme or LRH will fire it! The people at BH 209 were very kind and explained that the 209 primer spacing is too loose in those model Knights and are sending me some O-rings that they had made for CVA’s that might work. They are sending them at no charge and talked to me for longer than they needed to’! So I was impressed by them. The same guy at Knight told me a few weeks ago to back out the breech plug a quarter turn and both guns would fire the BH209! Then while I’m at the range after several attempts with both guns and not one shot fired but many primers! He said yeah it’s a 50/50 chance! I orders Leigh defense breech plugs for both guns and will try one more time before going back to Triple 7! Couldn’t believe after reading so many comments and stores about Disc extremes and LRH shootings BH209 so great and my luck I couldn’t get either one haha! Well live and learn! New isn’t always better I guess! BH209 guy said they have powder that’s 13 years old that fires every time so at least I can use these cans I have with a future gun! He also said without hesitation T/C shoots the powder the best! thanks for your reply’s guys |
Originally Posted by Freddy531
(Post 4361188)
I talked to the people at Knight and Blackhorn. The people at night told me that the breech plugs in the LRH and Disc Extreme are too short to ignite BH209 and the Mountaineer and ultra light will ignite BH209 every time. They said it’s 50/50 chance any Disc extreme or LRH will fire it! The people at BH 209 were very kind and explained that the 209 primer spacing is too loose in those model Knights and are sending me some O-rings that they had made for CVA’s that might work. They are sending them at no charge and talked to me for longer than they needed to’! So I was impressed by them. The same guy at Knight told me a few weeks ago to back out the breech plug a quarter turn and both guns would fire the BH209! Then while I’m at the range after several attempts with both guns and not one shot fired but many primers! He said yeah it’s a 50/50 chance! I orders Leigh defense breech plugs for both guns and will try one more time before going back to Triple 7! Couldn’t believe after reading so many comments and stores about Disc extremes and LRH shootings BH209 so great and my luck I couldn’t get either one haha! Well live and learn! New isn’t always better I guess! BH209 guy said they have powder that’s 13 years old that fires every time so at least I can use these cans I have with a future gun! He also said without hesitation T/C shoots the powder the best! thanks for your reply’s guys Also you should know when he says TC guns shoot them best he is referring to the older TC rifles with the short breech plug. Do not think they even use the breech plug any longer. |
A) Get the Lehigh plug and extra vent liners
B) Get some plain old Win209s C) Get a 5/32 hex head drill bit to keep the flash CHANNEL clean. Old Knight plugs are probably a 1/8" channel if you want to clean them out. New plugs might be a 5/32 also.  Install the plug and adapter in the bolt. Measure the length of a few primers and write it down Insert each primer in the action with the Lehigh plug and close the action. DONT FIRE THEM Remove each primer and measure them again. Are they now shorter than new? If you got atleast a .002-.003 crush you will be ok but some primers might have a tiny bit of soot after firing them. A .004-.005 crush is ideal. When setup correctly a Lehigh plug will fire off BH209 with even the weakest of primers...I know...ive done it many times for testing but would never use them under cold hunting conditions.  |
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