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edwardCVAmason 12-30-2013 03:24 PM

250 XTP Recovery
 
Strangly Enough I have never Recovered a 250 XTP .452 Untill Yesturday.

This XTP was shot by my son with his Savage MLII 250 XTP VVN110 39 Grains.

Pretty Decent Mushroom. Have not had a chance to get to a scale to weigh it yet.




Semisane 12-30-2013 05:44 PM

Any idea as to the velocity of that load Edward? What was the shot distance and size deer was it recovered from. Where was the hit/wound track?

edwardCVAmason 12-30-2013 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 4112417)
Any idea as to the velocity of that load Edward? What was the shot distance and size deer was it recovered from. Where was the hit/wound track?

2100 FPS Range was 60 yards. Deer was about 120lbs. Shot was shot through the chest angled to the rear and embedded in the rib cage where it was recovered.

Semisane 12-30-2013 07:06 PM

Wow. It held together well for a short range/high velocity shot like that. I've never recovered one either, with all shots either high neck or mid-chest broadsides.

edwardCVAmason 12-30-2013 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 4112451)
Wow. It held together well for a short range/high velocity shot like that. I've never recovered one either, with all shots either high neck or mid-chest broadsides.

Ditto.. Everyone I have seen have been all pass throughs.

Blackpowdersmoke 12-31-2013 02:20 AM


Originally Posted by edwardCVAmason (Post 4112461)
Ditto.. Everyone I have seen have been all pass throughs.

Ed,

Is it because they're traveling faster or their design or a little of both that modern saboted projectiles are recovered more often than lead? They must expand much more rapidly and expend their energy pretty much inside the animal. I don't shoot saboted bullets, but I've never recovered any lead ML projectile I've taken a deer with. I know a few people that have recovered round balls that were flattened and laying along the inside of the hide on the opposite side they were shot, but that's about it.

BPS

WV Hunter 12-31-2013 12:18 PM

Bullet looks pretty good. Kinda hard to tell exactly from the pics. Wash is off and weigh it, for kicks.

I think that sometimes it just happens. You might get 20 passthroughs, then have one that by all rights should have...but didn't. I've had it happen, both with ML and CF rifles. Not an issue with the bullet or load, it just happened. My .02 anyhow, fwiw. Now if you were finding every bullet not passing thru, or the majority...that would be an issue.

SecondChance 12-31-2013 12:58 PM

Great piece of recovery on a rather not often seen projectile. My brother and now I have never recovered any of the Hornady 225grn FTX. He shoots them in a 50cal IL and I am now shooting them in my .460 S&W. What kind of powder charge was he using? My brother uses 110grn T7 with a Green Harvester Sabot.

edwardCVAmason 12-31-2013 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by SecondChance (Post 4112672)
Great piece of recovery on a rather not often seen projectile. My brother and now I have never recovered any of the Hornady 225grn FTX. He shoots them in a 50cal IL and I am now shooting them in my .460 S&W. What kind of powder charge was he using? My brother uses 110grn T7 with a Green Harvester Sabot.

Vihtavuori N110 39 Grains

edwardCVAmason 01-10-2014 11:26 AM

I had a chance to weigh the recovered bullet today. It weighs 210 grains.

Not bad. I would say we have found the threashold speed for that bullet.

WV Hunter 01-10-2014 01:04 PM

84% .... can't complain about that! :D

edwardCVAmason 01-10-2014 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by WV Hunter (Post 4115088)
84% .... can't complain about that! :D

Yeah I was talking to my son about that. He has learned a lot from me through the years and I have talked to him a lot about ballistics but weight retention is something we have not talked a great deal about because we have never really recovered a bullet together.

When I told him the difference he thought that seemed like a lot. I said son that is darn near perfect considering how much body mass/bone/hide that bullet went through. Even solid copper bullets you would hope retain that much weight.

So it sunk in with him I had him hold a 250 XTP out of the box and then hold this bullet right next to it. I said see! Not a lot of difference! If this one wasent so mangled you could probably use it again:) He sort of laughed and said Yeah I see what you mean. Still plenty of bullet weight left to shoot a deer.

For a cheap bullet it certainly did its job.

rafsob 01-11-2014 12:11 PM

I didn't know they made a 250 gr. XTP I have shot a 240 and 300gr. Does Hornady make this bullet for another company with their logo on them?

nchawkeye 01-11-2014 12:49 PM

I assume that is the .451 in 250...I have a box of 100 of them...

chaded 01-11-2014 12:57 PM

http://www.hornady.com/store/45-Cal-.452-250-gr-HP-XTP/

edwardCVAmason 01-11-2014 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by nchawkeye (Post 4115424)
I assume that is the .451 in 250...I have a box of 100 of them...

It's a .452. 451 do not shoot very well in smokeless .

SecondChance 01-11-2014 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by edwardCVAmason (Post 4115485)
It's a .452. 451 do not shoot very well in smokeless .

Are they the XTP Mag? I shoot them in my 460 but blow up regular XTP's because of the velocity they are made for.
Don't always believe what they say they are rated for. I spoke to Hornady about the .452 225grn FTX that my brother is shooting in his inline and was told that it can't be right. I told the tech the load and weapon. He tipped and tacked on his computer and said "Humh" He said that they are rated for up to 1600fps in the 45 Long Colt. We are driving them over 1850fps up to 1950fps and still blowing through Illinois deer out to 187yds and yet to recover a projectile or track a deer!!!! I blew through a buck with my 460 this last gun season, hit in the brisket. Blew 5" of brisket out, tore out/open 4 ribs then still left a hole the size of your thumb on the way out of the hide!!!! Hit at a 45* angle to my left. Never took a step!!!


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