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idahoron 10-23-2013 02:17 AM

The pictures I saw online are all small deer. Where is a link to 1200 pound deer? Ron

Muley Hunter 10-23-2013 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by idahoron (Post 4091405)
The pictures I saw online are all small deer. Where is a link to 1200 pound deer? Ron




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambar_deer

edwardCVAmason 10-23-2013 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Allnighter (Post 4091338)
Hi everyone my name is Brett and Im new to the forum from Florida. I have a hunt coming up for Sambar deer which is an elk sized critter and I have to use a muzzleloader. My question is I already have a .45 cal. inline and wanted some ideas for loads and rounds that would do the job on such a big animal, or if it's even feasible. Thank for any help.

This is where my argument that a 50 cal will do everything a 45 cal can do and better carries some weight.

Your 45 matched with the right conical and about 80 grains of ffg will do the job. Shot placement is always the key.

Allnighter 10-23-2013 08:47 AM

Thank you all for your replies and advise. The Sambar where im going average around 500lbs but, have been taken to 732lbs. Also there shouldn't be any shots over 100 yards. There is no size limit or optic limit either. Im going to try are order some of those No Excuse bullets. Then run them though the gun to see how it likes them, with I hope they do because I would feel a lot better about a round that big. Anyways thanks again for the help I knew I came to the right place and keep the advice coming.

a1smokepole 10-23-2013 10:51 AM

Can you shoot sabot loads are conical and what gun size is the min were your going for ML and the animal your shooting.

jpbowhunter 10-23-2013 01:22 PM

If you check out Erol Masons secrets of the sambar website there are a couple of big bodied fellas there that have been shot. I'll look at finding some more pics as well. the thing with sambar is that they aren't built like muleys or elk or red deer. They're a very solid deer. I guess you just have to see one in person to really get the understanding of what they're like

sabotloader 10-23-2013 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by jpbowhunter (Post 4091568)
If you check out Erol Masons secrets of the sambar website there are a couple of big bodied fellas there that have been shot. I'll look at finding some more pics as well. the thing with sambar is that they aren't built like muleys or elk or red deer. They're a very solid deer. I guess you just have to see one in person to really get the understanding of what they're like

If you can use sabot and a regular bullet - this is my choice currently for Elk here.... It use to be Nosler Partitions but since they have stopped production on the 458 partions I have switched to the Lehigh/Bloodline .458-300 or the Lehigh .458-305 - 45-70 bullet...

This is the Lehigh/Bloodline .458-300 for a Muzzleloader




This is the Lehigh .458-305 grain for the 45-70 rifle - I call it the buffalo bullet because the guys report such success with it shooting Buffalo...








This cow was shot at 176 yards and dropped on the spot




idahoron 10-23-2013 04:53 PM

I got to admit that this is the first time I have even looked them up. The Secrets of Sambar site does have a couple that are big. Most are the size of a large mule deer or a spike bull elk. I was amazed at two of them looked very big. I would still plant my 409 gr paper patched 11mm bullet solid behind the shoulder and watch the hole on the other side pour blood. I have confidence in that bullet. Notice I said behind the shoulder. The shoulders on those big boys would be tough to poke through with a cartridge rifle. Ron

Allnighter 10-23-2013 04:56 PM

Those look pretty impressive, but I only have a 45.cal rifle. I see they only have a 200 grain in .45 how do you think that would preform respectively?

Allnighter 10-23-2013 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by jpbowhunter (Post 4091568)
If you check out Erol Masons secrets of the sambar website there are a couple of big bodied fellas there that have been shot. I'll look at finding some more pics as well. the thing with sambar is that they aren't built like muleys or elk or red deer. They're a very solid deer. I guess you just have to see one in person to really get the understanding of what they're like

I had the chance to hunt this place five years ago without any luck, but I did get to see a hind while scouting and saw some that were killed while I was there. You might be able to give me a little insight on them. Do they make any calls other than that bark, as in mating calles or such?


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