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09-24-2012 | 10:22 AM
#11
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Okay to clear this up - SABOTS are Legal during RIFLE Season but not during Muzzleloader Season - think I got it correct now from both sides.
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...ra-lite-5.html
Direct Quote from Muley Hunter's post......
"I just got this email. I had also asked about a patched ball.
Peter-
The caliber restriction for elk and moose refers to the weapon, not the projectile. My reading of the big game pamphlet was erroneous, and I DID just go check with the appropriate law enforcement and education officials. During a REGULAR RIFLE SEASON, a hunter may utilize sabots in his black-powder weapon PROVIDED that the projectiles meet the minimum weight requirements (170 for deer, pronghorn, or bear, 210 for elk and moose).
Regarding the .50 Hawken, you either shot a true .50 ball out of a slightly larger than .50 barrel or a .49 ball w/patch from a true .50 milled barrel. We are not concerned with projectile diameter because the regulation refers to barrel diameter (referred to as the caliber in this regulation). Read verbatim:
“Muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets, provided the minimum caliber shall be forty (.40) for all big game except elk and moose. The minimum caliber for elk and moose shall be fifty (.50). All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets from forty (.40) caliber through fifty (.50) caliber must use a bullet of at least 170 grains in weight. All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets greater than fifty (.50) caliber must use bullets of at least 210 grains in weight.”
Sorry for the confusion, that’s why I went down to check.
Best regards,
RYAN D. RUSCH
Customer Service Representative
COLORADO PARKS AND WILDLIFE
6060 Broadway
Denver CO 80216
303-297-1192
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http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...ra-lite-5.html
Direct Quote from Muley Hunter's post......
"I just got this email. I had also asked about a patched ball.
Peter-
The caliber restriction for elk and moose refers to the weapon, not the projectile. My reading of the big game pamphlet was erroneous, and I DID just go check with the appropriate law enforcement and education officials. During a REGULAR RIFLE SEASON, a hunter may utilize sabots in his black-powder weapon PROVIDED that the projectiles meet the minimum weight requirements (170 for deer, pronghorn, or bear, 210 for elk and moose).
Regarding the .50 Hawken, you either shot a true .50 ball out of a slightly larger than .50 barrel or a .49 ball w/patch from a true .50 milled barrel. We are not concerned with projectile diameter because the regulation refers to barrel diameter (referred to as the caliber in this regulation). Read verbatim:
“Muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets, provided the minimum caliber shall be forty (.40) for all big game except elk and moose. The minimum caliber for elk and moose shall be fifty (.50). All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets from forty (.40) caliber through fifty (.50) caliber must use a bullet of at least 170 grains in weight. All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets greater than fifty (.50) caliber must use bullets of at least 210 grains in weight.”
Sorry for the confusion, that’s why I went down to check.
Best regards,
RYAN D. RUSCH
Customer Service Representative
COLORADO PARKS AND WILDLIFE
6060 Broadway
Denver CO 80216
303-297-1192
__________________
Pete "end quote
sorry if I caused any confusion
I will go back to my corner now
JW
09-24-2012 | 12:15 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
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From: Saxonburg Pa
Wow every time I search I can find nothing more than Sabots are Illegal! One would think the state would fix that! Unless the new change wnet into effect in the last few days or so.
Just saying.......
JW
and here is a new link that allows quick searching
http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteColl...me/biggame.pdf
Just saying.......
JW
and here is a new link that allows quick searching
http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteColl...me/biggame.pdf
09-24-2012 | 12:22 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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From: Eastern PA
I think it gets cornfusing because the law for projectiles is different for the rifle season than it is during the muzzleloading season. The link JW posted where he used the bold letters "Sabots are prohibited" is pertaining to the muzzleloading season NOT the rifle season.
09-24-2012 | 04:44 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Kerrville, Tx. USA
Yep, legal to shoot sabots using pellets and a scope when hunting with a muzzy during a regular centerfire rifle season.
In my hands, an inline with a copper covered, plastic tipped bullet is not any more inherantly accurate than my T/C renegade shooting maxiballs. It is easier to use and clean up, but is not more accurate. So I think "primative" is not the reason they restrict. Reduced ability to harvest during the rut is the reason they don't allow items (such as a scope) that would extend my range and increase harvest numbers. And yes, there are guys out there that can shoot almost as good with open sights as with a scope, but I am not one of them, and neither are most hunters out there. My current max range is 120 yards with my inline using fPBs and BH 209. I am sure with a scope, I could extend that to 200 yards.
In my hands, an inline with a copper covered, plastic tipped bullet is not any more inherantly accurate than my T/C renegade shooting maxiballs. It is easier to use and clean up, but is not more accurate. So I think "primative" is not the reason they restrict. Reduced ability to harvest during the rut is the reason they don't allow items (such as a scope) that would extend my range and increase harvest numbers. And yes, there are guys out there that can shoot almost as good with open sights as with a scope, but I am not one of them, and neither are most hunters out there. My current max range is 120 yards with my inline using fPBs and BH 209. I am sure with a scope, I could extend that to 200 yards.
