The new 50 caliber Knight Mountaineer Ultra-Lite
09-23-2012, 07:33 AM
#31
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,703
Yes, i must agree. The regulations posted by flounder33 indicate there are only 2 restrictions on muzzle loaders when used during rifle season for elk. The rifle must be 50 caliber, and the bullet must weigh at least 170g. Those are the only restrictions i read.
It is implicit that sabot are legal to use for elk in a 50 caliber rifle; that is what the regulation is. The regulation specifically indicate that sabot cannot be used during the muzzle loader season. Since sabot are allowed during the rifle season, and since 50 caliber rifle is allowed for elk during rifle season, it follows that a bullet that weighs at least 170g in a sabot is allowed during rifle season. That is what the regulation reads. The caliber of the bullet is only specified during the muzzle loader season.
One additional thing i did notice was smokeless powder is not allowed during muzzle loader season. This means Muley shouldn't have been using BH209 when hunting in the muzzle loader season. This i write, because Muley has long insisted Blackhorn powder is a 'smokeless' powder.
It is implicit that sabot are legal to use for elk in a 50 caliber rifle; that is what the regulation is. The regulation specifically indicate that sabot cannot be used during the muzzle loader season. Since sabot are allowed during the rifle season, and since 50 caliber rifle is allowed for elk during rifle season, it follows that a bullet that weighs at least 170g in a sabot is allowed during rifle season. That is what the regulation reads. The caliber of the bullet is only specified during the muzzle loader season.
One additional thing i did notice was smokeless powder is not allowed during muzzle loader season. This means Muley shouldn't have been using BH209 when hunting in the muzzle loader season. This i write, because Muley has long insisted Blackhorn powder is a 'smokeless' powder.
Muley is correct BH is a smokeless based powder, but it has been engineered to meet the standards of a Black Powder substitute powder, as it meters like any other BP sub.
Last edited by sabotloader; 09-23-2012 at 07:39 AM.
09-23-2012, 07:35 AM
#32
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
Yes, i must agree. The regulations posted by flounder33 indicate there are only 2 restrictions on muzzle loaders when used during rifle season for elk. The rifle must be 50 caliber, and the bullet must weigh at least 170g. Those are the only restrictions i read.
It is implicit that sabot are legal to use for elk in a 50 caliber rifle; that is what the regulation is. The regulation specifically indicate that sabot cannot be used during the muzzle loader season. Since sabot are allowed during the rifle season, and since 50 caliber rifle is allowed for elk during rifle season, it follows that a bullet that weighs at least 170g in a sabot is allowed during rifle season. That is what the regulation reads. The caliber of the bullet is only specified during the muzzle loader season.
One additional thing i did notice was smokeless powder is not allowed during muzzle loader season. This means Muley shouldn't have been using BH209 when hunting in the muzzle loader season. This i write, because Muley has long insisted Blackhorn powder is a 'smokeless' powder.
It is implicit that sabot are legal to use for elk in a 50 caliber rifle; that is what the regulation is. The regulation specifically indicate that sabot cannot be used during the muzzle loader season. Since sabot are allowed during the rifle season, and since 50 caliber rifle is allowed for elk during rifle season, it follows that a bullet that weighs at least 170g in a sabot is allowed during rifle season. That is what the regulation reads. The caliber of the bullet is only specified during the muzzle loader season.
One additional thing i did notice was smokeless powder is not allowed during muzzle loader season. This means Muley shouldn't have been using BH209 when hunting in the muzzle loader season. This i write, because Muley has long insisted Blackhorn powder is a 'smokeless' powder.
As for BH 209. Colorado tried to make it banned. Just like they did with inlines. They got too much pressure and buckled under.
09-23-2012, 07:40 AM
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09-23-2012, 07:44 AM
#36
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,703
According to the written regulations
09-23-2012, 07:45 AM
#37
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
I talked to the DOW. Did you?
A sabot solves my barrel problem. Don't you think i'd use one if it was legal?
It's really simple. Call up the DOW and see for yourself like I did. I'm not guessing at this like you guys. Ask the guys who are going to hand out the fines.
A sabot solves my barrel problem. Don't you think i'd use one if it was legal?
It's really simple. Call up the DOW and see for yourself like I did. I'm not guessing at this like you guys. Ask the guys who are going to hand out the fines.
09-23-2012, 07:47 AM
#38
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Rapid City, South Dakota
Posts: 3,732
Muley,
Your hunting problems are solved. You can hunt elk during rifle season with a 195g Barnes pushed by 90g Blackhorn in your new rifle. You will be legal, and will suffer very little recoil.
Your hunting problems are solved. You can hunt elk during rifle season with a 195g Barnes pushed by 90g Blackhorn in your new rifle. You will be legal, and will suffer very little recoil.
09-23-2012, 07:47 AM
#39
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
09-23-2012, 07:48 AM
#40
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I talked to the DOW. Did you?
A sabot solves my barrel problem. Don't you think i'd use one if it was legal?
It's really simple. Call up the DOW and see for yourself like I did. I'm not guessing at this like you guys. Ask the guys who are going to hand out the fines.
A sabot solves my barrel problem. Don't you think i'd use one if it was legal?
It's really simple. Call up the DOW and see for yourself like I did. I'm not guessing at this like you guys. Ask the guys who are going to hand out the fines.