The new 50 caliber Knight Mountaineer Ultra-Lite
09-24-2012, 11:09 AM
#161
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
Originally Posted by sabotloader
I agree with what you are saying - you asked and were provided the wrong information.
But, I again as shown by the written regulations the information your were given did not match, that is whay I suggested that you follow up with other sources.
But, I again as shown by the written regulations the information your were given did not match, that is whay I suggested that you follow up with other sources.
09-24-2012, 11:11 AM
#162
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
I just got this email. I had also asked about a patched ball.
Peter-
The caliber restriction for elk and moose refers to the weapon, not the projectile. My reading of the big game pamphlet was erroneous, and I DID just go check with the appropriate law enforcement and education officials. During a REGULAR RIFLE SEASON, a hunter may utilize sabots in his black-powder weapon PROVIDED that the projectiles meet the minimum weight requirements (170 for deer, pronghorn, or bear, 210 for elk and moose).
Regarding the .50 Hawken, you either shot a true .50 ball out of a slightly larger than .50 barrel or a .49 ball w/patch from a true .50 milled barrel. We are not concerned with projectile diameter because the regulation refers to barrel diameter (referred to as the caliber in this regulation). Read verbatim:
“Muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets, provided the minimum caliber shall be forty (.40) for all big game except elk and moose. The minimum caliber for elk and moose shall be fifty (.50). All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets from forty (.40) caliber through fifty (.50) caliber must use a bullet of at least 170 grains in weight. All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets greater than fifty (.50) caliber must use bullets of at least 210 grains in weight.”
Sorry for the confusion, that’s why I went down to check.
Best regards,
RYAN D. RUSCH
Customer Service Representative
COLORADO PARKS AND WILDLIFE
6060 Broadway
Denver CO 80216
303-297-1192
Peter-
The caliber restriction for elk and moose refers to the weapon, not the projectile. My reading of the big game pamphlet was erroneous, and I DID just go check with the appropriate law enforcement and education officials. During a REGULAR RIFLE SEASON, a hunter may utilize sabots in his black-powder weapon PROVIDED that the projectiles meet the minimum weight requirements (170 for deer, pronghorn, or bear, 210 for elk and moose).
Regarding the .50 Hawken, you either shot a true .50 ball out of a slightly larger than .50 barrel or a .49 ball w/patch from a true .50 milled barrel. We are not concerned with projectile diameter because the regulation refers to barrel diameter (referred to as the caliber in this regulation). Read verbatim:
“Muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets, provided the minimum caliber shall be forty (.40) for all big game except elk and moose. The minimum caliber for elk and moose shall be fifty (.50). All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets from forty (.40) caliber through fifty (.50) caliber must use a bullet of at least 170 grains in weight. All muzzle-loading rifles and smoothbore muskets greater than fifty (.50) caliber must use bullets of at least 210 grains in weight.”
Sorry for the confusion, that’s why I went down to check.
Best regards,
RYAN D. RUSCH
Customer Service Representative
COLORADO PARKS AND WILDLIFE
6060 Broadway
Denver CO 80216
303-297-1192
09-24-2012, 11:21 AM
#163
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,612
Muley Hunter
Thanks a bunch for posting this communication - I think it will help a lot of people.
I have retained a copy and added it to my archives...
Thanks a bunch for posting this communication - I think it will help a lot of people.
I have retained a copy and added it to my archives...
09-24-2012, 11:25 AM
#164
Super Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 7,093
I also went back and corrected the CO regs post I put up with Muley's info.
Just like here in WI - I can use a Xbow during Rifle Season even when I am not 65 - it don't make sense to me at all. And why would I?
Am using my inline tho!
JW
Just like here in WI - I can use a Xbow during Rifle Season even when I am not 65 - it don't make sense to me at all. And why would I?
Am using my inline tho!
JW
09-24-2012, 11:34 AM
#165
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
The deal with the sabots never made sense to me. A 300gr .45 cal bullet will certainly kill an elk.
Even though this wasn't that much fun. I'm glad I did it now. I can use the sabots that I wanted to from the beginning, and my loose spot on the barrel isn't a problem now.
I had pretty much decided to hunt the rifle seasons with the MR from now on. I just don't feel right using a scope in ML season. Now i'm at a slight disadvantage to the rifle hunters. I like that better than some thinking I have an advantage with a scope in ML season.
Now I need to decide which bullet? Barnes, Lehigh, or Dead Center?
Even though this wasn't that much fun. I'm glad I did it now. I can use the sabots that I wanted to from the beginning, and my loose spot on the barrel isn't a problem now.
I had pretty much decided to hunt the rifle seasons with the MR from now on. I just don't feel right using a scope in ML season. Now i'm at a slight disadvantage to the rifle hunters. I like that better than some thinking I have an advantage with a scope in ML season.
Now I need to decide which bullet? Barnes, Lehigh, or Dead Center?
09-24-2012, 11:47 AM
#166
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Posts: n/a
Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
The deal with the sabots never made sense to me. A 300gr .45 cal bullet will certainly kill an elk.
Even though this wasn't that much fun. I'm glad I did it now. I can use the sabots that I wanted to from the beginning, and my loose spot on the barrel isn't a problem now.
I had pretty much decided to hunt the rifle seasons with the MR from now on. I just don't feel right using a scope in ML season. Now i'm at a slight disadvantage to the rifle hunters. I like that better than some thinking I have an advantage with a scope in ML season.
Now I need to decide which bullet? Barnes, Lehigh, or Dead Center?
Even though this wasn't that much fun. I'm glad I did it now. I can use the sabots that I wanted to from the beginning, and my loose spot on the barrel isn't a problem now.
I had pretty much decided to hunt the rifle seasons with the MR from now on. I just don't feel right using a scope in ML season. Now i'm at a slight disadvantage to the rifle hunters. I like that better than some thinking I have an advantage with a scope in ML season.
Now I need to decide which bullet? Barnes, Lehigh, or Dead Center?
You can't go wrong with any of the three bullets you are deciding between. I've taken game with each if them .All three are good
