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Help me with a decision
I am honestly considering purchasing another in-line. I was handling them this past weekend at Cabelas and I believe I've narrowed it down to two rifles. Both are stainless with camo stocks. The models are the CVA Accura or the Traditions Vortec LDR. Either model will be topped with the Leupold Ultraslam scope with firedot.
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Originally Posted by bronko22000
(Post 3963170)
I am honestly considering purchasing another in-line. I was handling them this past weekend at Cabelas and I believe I've narrowed it down to two rifles. Both are stainless with camo stocks. The models are the CVA Accura or the Traditions Vortec LDR. Either model will be topped with the Leupold Ultraslam scope with firedot.
Which would you pick and why. |
I refuse to discuss the purchase of any gun with a camo stock. :s2:
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Originally Posted by sabotloader
(Post 3963206)
but if given that choice I would easily go with the Accura - I think it is the far more proven rifle. Several folks on this forum have a lot of praise for it.
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Of the two it would be the Accura. I handled the Vortex today and was not impressed with it. Had to go to the big city for my annual run and stopped at a sporting goods store to look for some .40 caliber SSTs or Shockwaves. They of course did not have them. And our Wal Mart don't carry muzzleloading supplies anymore. But the sporting goods store did have a number of Traditions rifles, so of course I had to ogle them. That Vortex had a long barrel on it. Actually of all the rifles I handled today, there was an Omega that got my attention. Until I saw the price tag. They have got to be kidding. But then this place don't sell a lot of rifles. Mostly powder and projectiles.
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I've owned a Vortek UL, and an Accura V2. I feel the Accura is a better built gun. Very accurate, and a great trigger.
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Originally Posted by Semisane
(Post 3963217)
I refuse to discuss the purchase of any gun with a camo stock. :s2:
Sabot, I like the break opens. Easier for me with my gorilla fingers to install and remove primers. I am leaning toward the Accura. |
I owed an Accura, I handled the Traditions . Out of those 2 the Accura would be the hands down winner but I personally wouldn't buy either one . To many better quality guns out there . No need to spend good money on a Traditions or CVA . But if you must then get the Accura
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sharpshooter - I owned an Optima before and I liked it. Honestly I do not believe there is a better gun out there than a CVA - for the money. More expensive, definately. I refuse to pay $600+ for a ML. And as much as I like T/C sidelocks, I won't shell out the money for the overpriced Triumph or Encore. The CVA will shoot right along side them and likely outshoot them for a lot less money. I had an Encore when they first came out and it sucked in the accuracy dept.
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In the last year i have purchase 2 Omega on clearance at reduced prices. Too bad you didn't purchase either of these rifle; they are really really fine. Both are super accurate, and good to 300 yard. Just now i looked around the net, and couldn't find a good buy on any Omega. I will not part with any of my Omega, but i do have a Triumph listed in the classified that may be a good buy for you. There is also a couple of Accura listed that may be a good buy for you. All three of these rifle are in excellent condition.
If it were me, i would suck it up, and pay the price for this X7, however, it is a lot of money. Mine have excellent trigger, shoot straight, carry nicely, etc. Wood stock is a plus to me; i like the way it feels. TC rifle have steel sling swivel; some others have plastic swivel cast as part of the stock. TC rifle have crisp breaking trigger without creep. Whenever, i am shooting the TC rifle; just after it fires i have zero thoughts about what happened at the instant of ignition i.e. i have no recall of the trigger. Of the two choices you asked about, i cannot comment on the Traditions; i have never held one. I do own 3 Accura. One, is worn out; one has never been fired. All 3 Accura have some creep in the trigger, which isn't bad, but it is there. After pulling the trigger on the Accura, i remember squeezing the trigger through the creep. They are decent rifle, but............... |
And this my good friends is from a partially sane individual who has a nasty habit of scoping sidelocks. |
Bronco...Did you feel any creep in your Optima trigger?
Carlos..Maybe you can chime in here. You shoot 1" groups at 300yds with an Accura. Do you feel any creep? |
The Accura V2 I owned had the worst trigger as far as creep went compared to the other guns I owned. The Apex had a good trigger.
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Accura V2.
Buy a can of birchwood casey Gun scrubber and Barricade to blast the nasty grease out of the trigger Assy. |
I have no experience with either of these guns. However, each time I see a review of MZ's in Outdoor Life or F & S they have the Vorteck listed as the best gun available.
Are we missing something or is there payola behind the reviews? |
Well, personally I would buy a Triumph or a X7, but I insist on a good trigger or a gun that can be worked on with out buying expensive fixtures. I have worked on both for other people and while you can not hone the action and they are normally at least a bit rough some will smooth out through use and some boiling water and polishing compound applied right will help but it may take several applications. So if I had to make that choice I would go with the Accura.
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I have a cva optima and it shoots better than my remington 30-06. go with the cva
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It seems like TC owners are the only ones who say the Accura has a bad trigger.
I've never read any review that says the Accura trigger is bad. They usually praise it to being the best trigger they ever felt on any muzzleloader. Strange huh? I beiever I even read Randy Wakeman say it, and we all know how he hates CVA. So, lets not say the reviews aren't honest. |
Originally Posted by ronlaughlin
(Post 3963267)
In the last year i have purchase 2 Omega on clearance at reduced prices. Too bad you didn't purchase either of these rifle; they are really really fine. Both are super accurate, and good to 300 yard. Just now i looked around the net, and couldn't find a good buy on any Omega. I will not part with any of my Omega, but i do have a Triumph listed in the classified that may be a good buy for you. There is also a couple of Accura listed that may be a good buy for you. All three of these rifle are in excellent condition.
If it were me, i would suck it up, and pay the price for this X7, however, it is a lot of money. Mine have excellent trigger, shoot straight, carry nicely, etc. Wood stock is a plus to me; i like the way it feels. TC rifle have steel sling swivel; some others have plastic swivel cast as part of the stock. TC rifle have crisp breaking trigger without creep. Whenever, i am shooting the TC rifle; just after it fires i have zero thoughts about what happened at the instant of ignition i.e. i have no recall of the trigger. Of the two choices you asked about, i cannot comment on the Traditions; i have never held one. I do own 3 Accura. One, is worn out; one has never been fired. All 3 Accura have some creep in the trigger, which isn't bad, but it is there. After pulling the trigger on the Accura, i remember squeezing the trigger through the creep. They are decent rifle, but............... |
Originally Posted by Josmund
(Post 3963345)
I have no experience with either of these guns. However, each time I see a review of MZ's in Outdoor Life or F & S they have the Vorteck listed as the best gun available.
Are we missing something or is there payola behind the reviews? |
Originally Posted by dt34715
(Post 3963422)
What would you keep the omega's over the Triumph. "just curious"
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Originally Posted by dt34715
(Post 3963422)
What would you keep the omega's over the Triumph. "just curious"
To me the Triumph breech plug is funky, what with them compression rings that i try to damage, and the o ring. I have installed it without a tool before. I have removed it without a tool before. However most of the time i have to use a tool to install and remove the breech plug. If a scope is mounted the tool furnished by TC cannot be used to install the breech plug; i had to fabricate a tool for to install the breech plug. The comb of the Triumph stock is two high for my face. If it were not for this, i would probably keep the Triumph. When i shoot the Triumph, it raises a swelling in my cheek low down by my ear. Seems there may be some sort of gland right there, that the rifle smacks when i fire it. Last time i shot it, i shot it 3 or 4 days in a row, and my jaw got swollen, and then liquid leaked out of the swell, and later blood leaked out. It is best i don't shoot it any more. |
Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
(Post 3963409)
It seems like TC owners are the only ones who say the Accura has a bad trigger...................
Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3963308)
Accura V2.
Buy a can of birchwood casey Gun scrubber and Barricade to blast the nasty grease out of the trigger Assy. Myself, i own 3 CVA, 3 Knight, and some TC. Does this qualify me as a TC owner? Is your pard a TC owner? |
Not for 3-4 days in a row anyway.
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Originally Posted by ronlaughlin
(Post 3963553)
It seems you missed the post by your pard just 3 before yours, where he provides a fix for the V2 trigger.
It is implicit, the V2 trigger needs help. Myself, i own 3 CVA, 3 Knight, and some TC. Does this qualify me as a TC owner? Is your pard a TC owner? |
Ok Gentlemen - I don't want this to become an argument between members of CVA vs T/C. I did a bit more research and the T/C Triumph does have some merit. So...... based on expierience and not opinion, can some give their comments - pluses and minuses of either of these 2. For now we will forget the Vortec.
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Myself, i have both the CVA v2, and the Triumph, and have shot them both.
I much prefer the CVA breech plug to the Triumph breech plug. It is truly a plug that requires no tool to remove or install. However, one has to purchase an additional plug, or modify the included, if one wants total reliability igniting BH. The Triumph has a better trigger, i believe. The Triumph is accurate. The v2 is accurate. The v2 is stainless, the Triumph has no stainless option? The Triumph has steel sling swivel studs, not plastic rings cast into the plastic stock. The Triumph feels real good in my hands when carried whilst hunting, the v2 feels kinda awkward, but the way it feels does kinda grow on one. If the Triumph didn't slap me in the face, it would be my choice, but it does, so my choice is the Omega. |
I had an Accura and still have a Triumph. The Triumph just felt better and shot better. I traded the Accura to someone on here. The triumph is a good gun that has taken 2 deer at over 200 yards. I can't give a good reason other than it handles good . I haven't shot it in 3 years now though, I been using my Knights. I have 2 omegas and I would choose them for open sights over the Triumph but would choose the Triumph for a scoped muzzy over my Omega
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I would pick the Triumph to me its the best gun sold for the money. But having said that a friend of mine bought aV 2 put 2 white hots and a pb platinum and at 100 yards shot great. So either one is a great choice.
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