Ruined X7?
 

Last January i tried to kill a deer with the rifle' ramrod. Afterward when i load the rifle i can feel a loose spot as the bullet approaches the powder. So, i decided to retire the rifle. As time went by i wondered how it would shoot, and it didn't seem to shoot too bad with the peep sight, but there would always be a flier or two. Recently i mounted a scope on the rifle, so i could better see if the fliers were me or if they were the rifle. Each day as i shot it it seemed to be reasonable accurate. Each day i fine tuned the scope adjustments.

This morning i set up at 200 yard, and from a cold clean barrel these holes were punched.









It was about 54 degrees up there with near still air. A walk to the target was taken so as to get a photograph. Then after walking back to rifle 4 more shots were taken.








The air began moving some, but not too bad. The load was 110g BH, 270g Deep Curl, green crush rib sabot, W209 primer. A move was made to 100 yard, and the elevation dial lowered 5 1/2 moa.

After 5 shots, the target was taped, and a move back to 200 yard was made. The elevation dial was raised 6 1/2 moa, and 3 shots taken at the taped target. The rifle was allowed to cool between shots, which didn't take too long because of the temperature being in the 60's. There was a very slight breeze.









I believe i am going to start selling some of my other rifles.

That is some real good shooting. How long is the barrel on the X7? Is that the 24 inch model?

Yep its ruined, better send it my way. :biggrin:

Excellent Ron. That bulge hasn't hurt a thing.

If a law was passed limiting owners to only one in-line rifle, mine woud be the X7. What a fine little gun it is. If TC announced production of a .45 caliber X7 I would be first in line to buy one.

I would wonder about the stress put on that barrel and if it was going to come apart at some time...

Wouldn't bother me at all.

Well heck, we all know you ain't right.... :) :)

Yes it is.

I wondered the same thing. My solution was to change from a 45 caliber bullet to the 44 caliber bullet so to use the thicker green sabot. It seemed to me the thick sabot could handle the transition from tight barrel to loose barrel to tight barrel without causing excessive pressure on the barrel. I guess time will tell. This rifle will be my back up for our muzzle loader season this year, and as such shouldn't be shot too awful many times.

But......................i was just wondering how it would do at 300 yard. It should be set aside,...................................i may have to keep shooting it some more.

Ron , like you and Semi I love my X7 , its my go to gun for the entire hunting season. I often wonder why TC stoped making them , I have not heard anything negative about them.Glad to see you took the dust off her......
Steve

Nice shooting Ron. Looking at that target makes me think I should shoot the ramrod out of some of my rifles.

You know Ron, it wouldn't hurt to call TC and ask to speak to one of their technicians (not a customer service clerk) and explain the situation. You never know, they might have a barrel sitting around and would be willing to switch your action to a new barrel.

Also, you could ask about the safety issue. But given the liability issue, I would expect them to tell you not to shoot it. As for me, I would not be concerned. I believe there are a LOT of guns out there with slightly bulged barrels being shot all the time with the owner not even realizing the barrel has been bulged.

I won't call anybody.

Semi,
Ya know I hate to admit it but I shot half of my ramrod out of my TC Encore . I called TC's service and asked them to ship me a new barrel and I would pay the shipping and the price for the barrel. I explained the complete story and in no way was I looking for a replacement barrel; however, after going through the process of me ruining a perfectly good barrel, they just said for me to ship them my old barrel and they would replace the barrel. I had shot the barrel after the incident and it wasn't damaged that caused an accuracy issue, so I told TC that I didn't beleive it to be fair to them . So, I boxed up the barrel and shipped it back to TC and a few days later I received a package from UPS. I recieved a new barrel that was fluted and had the speed breach XT. My barrel was the old Encore barrel. The next day I recieved another package by the little brown truck. It was the original barrel with a note explaining that I may want to keep the barrel to remind me of the hunts and the incident. I have never had an issue ever with TC's service. I was going to have the old barrel bored out and sleeved and I still may later, but for now I will just sit and count my blessings and enjoy my new barrel.

Sorry to hijack the thread but that is some great customer service.

Actually it was awesome, but I kinda high jacked the thread. I had taken my meds before I logged in and read the post. I do apoligize, but it is a true story. I have always had outstanding service with TC. The barrel still shoots fine but I was gun shy about shooting it. I have not had pleasant experiences with loud explosions especially that close to my head.

No way is your post a hijack. It is very very relevant to my issues. Who knows, i may follow your example. I actually owe you a thank you for such an informative post.

Had you written about the weather in New Mexico, or insisted i not call CVA bullet CVA bullet,





i would consider that a hijack. Had you written i needed a hug, or that i was just Ron being Ron, i would have been insulted, as well as this thread been hijacked. It is only natural i am Ron being Ron; i am Ron, what/who else could i be?

No sir, you did not hijack this thread nor did you deflect the conversation.

Thank you for your post.

vendor - CVA blackpowder guns - equipment.

It really saddens me to see the path some folks are taking just to start an argument. Something is going on in the dakotas and making some act nuts.

Now that was an elegant hijack/deflection.

Ron,
I normally just hang out and read the post; however, I didn't want yall to think I was deflecting the post.

V/R
Mike

You certainly didn't, it was straight to the point, and i may just follow your lead.

Good deal. Now you hijack your own thread. My work is done here.

btw What not call it a Bergara Powerbelt? Same thing you're doing. Cya!

Because the catalog listing calls it a CVA bullet not a Bergara bullet
That's one good reason. Something must be going on in the Rockies to cause people to ignore facts . Or others to try to take the heat off the poor performance of a Powerbelt by trying to make a prb out to be a worse projectile. I would take prb over a Powerbelt .

Muley, don't you realize i am not the one selling them CVA bullet? I didn't name them. The name seems to be common knowledge, except in your brain. Actually, i don't give a rats* what you call them bullet. After seeing the photo your pardner posted of the bullet exploding on that deer' hide, i know i will never use them.

It seems to me, by definition, it is impossible to hijack one's own thread.

That information you posted about the color deer 'see', is informative, and interesting.

Just because some dealers are calling them CVA Powerbelts. Doesn't mean you have to follow them. I didn't think you were the sheep type.

The only connection between CVA and Powerbelt is they are both owned by the same parent company. As is Bergara . So, you could call them bergara Powerbelts and be just as incorrect as calling them CVA Powerbelts.

Powerbelt is sure not calling them CVA Powerbelts.

If you say to the millions of ML hunters in the world. Powerbelt bullets. They know what you mean. If you say CVA bullets. A large percentage wouldn't know what you mean.

Semanics of course, but since Ron made such a big deal out of it. I thought it was fun to just go along with it.

Ron, of course you can hijack your own thread by changing the subject.

Your turn.

they only call it cva because thats the category the website has them listed under. The main company owner of that brand. Bergara powerbelt LOL, Good one!

My Isuzu has a chevy motor, i guess i should call is a chevy rodeo?

X7 is Ruined
 

This rifle has been shot everyday now for awhile. It seemed to shoot pretty good at first. A couple of day ago it began shooting erratically. The scope was replaced yesterday. It still threw bullets all around. The scope was removed, and all the mounting screws checked. This morning' target.











Target appears to have been punched by a shotgun. First two shots were in the red bull from 100 yard. The other 5 shots taken from 200 yard. The way this rifle shoots is changing. This rifle will be retired immediately. This rifle probably will never again be loaded and fired. For a time it seemed the rifle would work, but after this continuous shooting it seems to be failing, and is being set aside.

I have a Knight LK-II that does something like that. The first five shots are nice and accurate. Right where you want them. So you could hunt with it. Then all of a sudden it starts to spray all over the place. I've let the rifle cool, swabbed it back to almost gun rack clean, and that helps but does not solve the problem. Strange it would shoot so well the first few shots then to down the tubes.

I would send that in to T/C and see if they can get it to shoot straight. Although to be honest, I wonder just how hard some of these gun companies try to fix the "described" problem.

strip it and sell off the parts, guys are always looking for some extra parts for a good deal.

It would be a good project to find out why it does that. I wouldn't trust it to hunt with, but it would be a challenge to fix it.

Ron, That target sure looks a lot different from the one you posted a few days ago. Do you think the rifle is getting that much worse in just these few days?

Well....................... something changed. It could be both scopes broke, but that doesn't seem likely. Two days ago, it went erratic. Yesterday it shot awful, so i switched the scope. Yesterday afternoon with the new scope it was erratic. The breech plug flash hole has grown to 0.033" is all, so that should be OK. Lug bolts are tight. Ring mount screws are tight. Ring screws are tight. This morning it shot the target that was posted. Makes me wonder if the bulged barrel is worsening. At any rate, i won't shoot it anymore.

I guess the Dream Season gets called up for duty now

Only if the commission rejects the optic for muzzle loader season. If we will be allowed optic, it would be so simple to trade scopes on any rifle to the 1X. One X7 is already set with a 1X; the other is set for rifle season with 1.5-5 scope; a 1X scope can replace it very readily. Dream Season has peep sight, but won't be changed to 1X, because of the low comb on the plastic stock. Decision is tomorrow.

Did you put in for doe tag for the refuge? Chances you would draw a buck tag should be about zero?