Toby Bridges - EXPOSED!!!!
 

http://randywakeman.com/HowToBlowUpASavage10ML.htm

Please read this article and decide for yourself whether or not Toby Bridges of namlhunt.com is a trustworthy source of muzzleloading information!

randy wakeman isn't trust worthy either so you're kinda comparing crap to crap?

Exactly It is the pot calling the kettle black.

Well at my age I've come to the conclusion that you believe none or what you hear (or read) and 1/2 of what you see! Of course I know you guys in here never ever lie. But I also know a few of you that won't let an opportunity pass to poke some fun at someone.

The whole thing makes me puke.

The whole thing makes me chuckle. The devil speaking of the devil speaking of the devil. At any rate it is funny to me, not sickening.

There has been an ongoing feud with these two for a long time. I will say that both of them have a lot of practical range, and in the field knowledge of muzzleloaders. Whether TB blew up the Savage rifle on purpose, or not.. you have to judge for yourself.

Shame on you guys. Both of those fine men are my heroes. They figured out how to make a darn good living spending their time playing with guns, spiced up with a liberal application of opinionated BS.

I never managed to do that even though I shoot a lot and have a pretty good supply of BS. Can't even figure out how to charge you guys ten cents each time you read one of my posts. Neither HNI nor PayPal seem interested in helping me out with that. They've even stopped taking my calls. The only person who pays me to shoot is my wife. Just last night she said "I'll give you fifty bucks if you'll just go to the lease for a few days".

The sickening part is a lot of guys listen to these two clowns.

If Randy had his way. Nobody would ever buy a CVA gun.

Nothing funny about either one of them.

Semi - You do realize that that is MY $50 she's giving you don't you! Just kidding ya of course. The only thing I've 'layed' lately is a room full of tile. And that took me a lot longer than the 'normal' 2 mins.........:barmy:
As for these two guys - I've never read much about or from either one of them so I can't say who is the worse of the two.

It's like saying..what's worse? A tornado, or a hurricane?

I was thinking more along the lines of Wet Fart / Diarrhea comparison:eek:

uh oh hes shooting with alliant powder now too i just noticed. I think hes already been hitting the traditional forum saying how great it will shoot in a FL.

Nice first post, come back when you have something constructive to say...

Do you have any proof of that? I know he seems to have a strong distaste for TB and CVA, but let's face it, all you have to do is read www.cvaguncases.com for awhile and you'll be scared to death to every touch one regardless of what Randy says!

Toby Bridges has always been a liar and always will be.

Randy Wakeman just loves to debate things right or wrong.

That was one model that's not made anymore. CVA guns use Bergara barrels now. Show me one case of a Bergara barrrel blowing up?

Yuuuup its a wakeman shill :lmao:

Wakeman and Bridges are Byronic heroes.:D

I'm not sure when CVA started using Bergara barrels and to be honest I really don't care! If you had actually went to www.cvaguncases.com and checked it out then you'd know that there are over 60 documented cases (lawsuits are public record) where CVA's have blown up, sometimes on the first use! The last case was settled in 2010 on a 2004 Kodiak! Too soon for any reasonable person to consider CVA's anything other than import junk in my book. On a side note I did check out Bergara and they seem to make a good barrel. I'm a little confused about the Spanish (C.I.P.) standards for barrel proofing though as I've heard that they are much lower than American standards???

That may very well be true (I haven't taken the time yet to verify), but lawsuits are public record and the copies of over 50 lawsuits against CVA are on that site. So, with a little reading, it's easy to determine that CVA has had major barrel failure issues in the recent past. That's enough for me to pass right by every CVA I see on the gun rack, regardless of price! :poke:

16. Brand Bashing and generally arguementative posts will not be tolerated. Legitimate posts regarding problems that you have experienced with a particular piece of equipment or service will be allowed. However, posts that are directly bashing a product or manufacturer are not allowed on HuntingNet.com. These forums and chat room are designed as a place for hunters to gather to exchange stories, advice, and meet other hunters from around the world - not to argue amongst ourselves or to talk down about any individual business or product. All posts of this nature will be removed and disciplinary action will be taken against their author.

More CVA muzzleloaders are sold than any other brand. They'll make out fine without selling one to you.

I've been shooting muzzleloaders now for about 6 years and kill deer every year. Everything I've learned I've learned right here. I don't listen to guys on TV. As far as I'm concerned they are being paid by a company to pimp their products.

Going back to the original post at the start of the thread, I do find it disturbing. I have always enjoyed reading Toby's stuff. I have always had a love for Knight rifles in common with Toby...until he changed his tune recently. I did find it interesting how Toby would so quickly abandon his business relationships so quickly. Many will recall that he broke his relationship with his previous internet domain company so quickly that his former webiste was off the net overnight. I don't know the details, and don't really care to. After reading what Wakeman had to say, I do feel a little vindicated that the new Knight company is not bad or out to defraud the public. I still feel safe in planning to buy a Mountaineer some day. But...I really hate to see this whole thing happen. It doesn't do anyone any good.

The best thing is to promote what you like, without bashing others.

Randy can't do a review of any gun with bringing up how bad a CVA is.

It gets old.

i know folks who were on the range when a CVA bolt action muzzleloader blew up. That "case" is cited by Wakeman and his ambulance chaser bud. The gun was loaded with a large measured charge of smokeless powder.

I know nothing really about either of these guys. Sounds like a pi$$ing contest is going on. And though I am an engineer by trade, my particular discipline and work experience have given me no advantages in understanding internal ballistics. The external ballistics, I can barely handle hhese days !! What I do know is that I have used a Savage 10 ML and a CVA Optima Pro these past several years with excellent results at both the range and in the field. I figure following the info in the manufacturers' manuals, specs, etc. to the "T" is a good thing. Not doing so is a bad thing. Simple enough for me.

yea this coming from someone with 4 total posts... like who the freak are you...

He tried it on another forum and it was locked up ASAP.

Just cause they sell more doesn't make it a quality gun. Anybody can sell S!!t to a blind man and him think it's gold. Ask yourself would you buy a gun at a place were you get your groceries and have your oil change while your shopping. Not me! Know don't get me wrong I'm not bashing CVA. I have one and it's made a fine boat anchor.

another "new guy" huh.

If its so bad why not just give it to me? " I am batting my eye lashes at you"

I killed many a deer with a Rem 700 30-06 I bought at Wal Mart. Should have got the oil changed while I was at it also.

So, you're a blind man with a boat?

A question for the guy who claims Wyatt Earp's mantra "Accuracy is everything". What muzzleloader manufacturer won the National Muzzleloader Manufacturers Competition for Accuracy six times?

Not blind. I'm just stating what I know and see. And just sold my boat an threw the anchor in as a freeby.

I believe that was knight right????

More than one way to be blind.

I'm a hunter. What difference does it make who won?

I don't claim anything. It's one of Earp's quotes.

Also more than one way to be a sucker to.