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Hunting trigger?
Just curious what your hunting muzzy trigger is set at. I tend to be a bit of a dare devil and always take the "Thats to light!" smack talk from some here as well as my brother in law, but i love a nice light crisp trigger pull.
Taking out my Tenn Mtn Rifle .50cal I did some grinding, polishing, adjusting and got her just where i want her. A nice crisp 4oz :D |
Like I said in the PM. Don't ever walk behind me.
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Can't say I see any point to a trigger that light. I consider 2 lbs. very light, yet safe and controllable. But anything under 4 lbs. is satisfactory if it breaks clean and crisp.
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3-4 pounds I always considered a good hunting trigger. I have no idea what a double trigger Renegade breaks at. But one of mine is very light.
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3 to 3 1/2 lbs. works for me.
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I like 2 pounds for off hand competition and 3.5 for hunting and consider anything under 1.5 dangerous. if your hand is cold you are liable to shoot something you don't intend to shoot or a jar might set it off.
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My lightest triggers are 2.5lb and thats only because they shipped that way. Mine appear safe but im normally happy with a 3lb trigger with no creep.
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I agree with all posts except the first one.
My question , why would you want 4oz. That gives you no advantage in my eyes.Let alone a safety issue. Steve |
3lbs is perfect for me. If you have a light trigger and hunt with gloves you are asking for a problem.
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I assume we are talking ML here. So with that said, I hunt almost exclusively with my traditionals and they have set triggers. Each one of them, once I set the trigger, the 'hair' trigger is just that. Just the a very light touch is enough to release the sear. That's what I like and what I am used to.
Now my CF rifles, I prefer a trigger pull about 2.5 - 3 lbs. |
I have the the trigger adjustment screw removed on my double trigger side lock to afford the lightest pull possible.
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Originally Posted by pluckit
(Post 3933952)
I have the the trigger adjustment screw removed on my double trigger side lock to afford the lightest pull possible.
It has no affect on the front trigger. |
There's a big difference between set triggers and non-sets. With a set trigger the norm is the trigger is not set until your sights are on the target you want to shoot. In such circumstance there's nothing wrong with a very light adjustment for the front trigger. But a "hair" trigger with regular (non-set) triggers is asking for trouble.
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This is the adjustment for a Thompson Center set trigger combination.
The screw really does not have anything to do with pounds of pull - it sets the break point, and can affect length of pull. [QUOTE] To Set; (Per The Manual) With the rifle uncharged and unprimed, place the hammer in the half-cock position. set the rear trigger. With the trigger "set", carefully turn the adjustment screw clockwise until the trigger mechanism "snaps" into the "unset" position. Stop turning the instand the mechanism "snaps". Do not turn the adjustment screw beyond this point for it marks the instant of total set trigger disengagement. Once the mechanism "snaps", turn the adjustment screw counter clockwise one full turn.[/QUOTE] Here is some additional information... Double- and Single-Set Triggers - Adjustment and Safety - by Dick Trenk When improperly adjusted, a strong enough shock can cause the cocked hammer to be released and fire the gun. When properly adjusted, Pedersoli set triggers will not release when subjected to a strong shock. Read the instructions below in order to make adjustment correctly. WARNING: Before making any adjustment make certain the gun is unloaded. Double set trigger adjustments (Sharps type rifles only) REAR TRIGGER 1. Turn screw located behind the rear trigger, inwards until hammer will stay cocked without having the rear trigger “set” (clicked.) 2. If this screw is adjusted inwards too much, the hammer will not fall when the front trigger is pulled strongly. 3. If the screw is not set inwards enough, the hammer will fail to remain in full cock position. 4. The screw must be turned inwards until the hammer will remain in full cock without first setting the rear trigger. 5. When adjusting the screw, move screw in 1/4 to 1/2 turn increments and recheck results before making another adjustment. FRONT TRIGGER 1. The front trigger will release the hammer even if the rear trigger has not been “set.” 2. With the rear trigger “not set” the front trigger pressure required to release the hammer will be much stronger than when the rear trigger has been “set.” 3. The front trigger adjustment screw located between the two triggers changes the amount of movement or travel which the front trigger must make before the hammer is released. 4. Turning this screw inwards will reduce the trigger travel and turning the screw outwards will increase the trigger travel required to release the cocked hammer. 5. If adjusted inward too much, it will not “hold” the setting against the rear trigger notch inside the action. 6. Proper adjustment should produce a very small front trigger movement with only a light pressure required to release the hammer. Double set trigger adjustments (Rolling Block type rifles only) 1. The single adjustment screw is turned inwards until the REAR trigger will not “set” when pressed firmly backwards. 2. Turn the screw outwards until the REAR trigger will “just stay set”. In this position the front trigger will release the hammer with very little pressure applied on the front trigger and this is considered to be too light and dangerous. 3. Unscrew the screw “at least” one half more turn. This will make the front trigger have a little more resistance and be a safe setting. 4. If you prefer even more front trigger resistance then unscrew the screw an additional amount until you arrive at a satisfactory setting. 5. Perform the 5 safety tests listed below, to assure a safe adjustment has been made. SAFETY TESTING THE ADJUSTMENT If the front trigger has been set with a very short and light engagement it is possible that a strong shock or vibration might cause it to let the cocked hammer fall unexpectedly resulting in a discharge of the gun. To prevent such an accidental discharge perform the following safety test. 1. Insert a fired cartridge case so the firing pin will have the dead primer to fall against and avoid damage to the firing pin. 2. Set the rear trigger properly, and then full cock the hammer. 3.On a Sharps rifle lower the breech lever and slam it shut least 10 times. On a rolling block type rifle, slam the breech block closed in a similar strong manner at least 10 times. 4.Hold the gun vertically by the barrel and tap the butt stock fairly strongly on a suitable rubber or carpet pad to create a shock inside the gun. 5.The hammer should not be released by this strong shocking action. If the hammer remains fully cocked, your adjustments are normal and safe. UNSETTING THE TRIGGER (Sharps or Rolling Block types) Sometimes it is necessary to “uncock” and unload the rifle after it has been prepared to shoot and the rear trigger has been “set.” This is done safely as follows. 1. Keep gun barrel pointed in a safe direction. 2. Firmly press and hold back the REAR trigger using as much pressure as it required to “set” it. 3. While holding the REAR trigger firmly back, press FRONT trigger backwards lightly. 4. This “unsets” the trigger system so the front trigger will not release the cocked hammer with it’s normal “light” pressure. 5. Remember, the hammer can still be released by the FRONT trigger if a strong pressure is applied to the FRONT trigger. 6. With the trigger system “unset” the breech can now be opened and the live cartridge removed. 7. With an unloaded rifle, practice this “unsetting” procedure until you can do it safely. SINGLE SET TRIGGER (RIFLES AND PISTOLS) 1. A small adjustment screw is located behind the trigger blade . 2. Turning this screw inward will reduce the pressure required to release the cocked hammer. 3. Turning the screw outward will increase the pressure required to release the hammer. 4. The actual “setting” of the trigger is done by pressing the trigger blade forward until a “click” sound is heard or felt. 5. The screw has a slot head for a screwdriver and it also has a small drilled hole which allows a small pin to be used to rotate the screw. 6. You can adjust the trigger to any reasonable release pressure between light and heavy but regardless of your final setting, the gun must be tested as described previously to make certain shocks or bumps will not cause an unexpected firing of the gun. UNSETTING THE SINGLE SET TRIGGER Once the trigger has been “set” and the hammer cocked, the only way to unset the trigger is to carefully hold the hammer while at the same time pulling the trigger as though to fire the gun. Once the hammer has been released it can be slowly lowered to the uncocked position. This is a very dangerous procedure because if the hammer slips from your fingers a loaded gun could fire! Never attempt to uncock a flintlock action without first removing all the powder from the pan or removing the percussion cap from that type of gun. Additionally, with a flintlock, place the frizzen in the “open” position so the flint cannot strike the frizzen and make sparks. Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction in case the hammer does slip and make some sparks. Remember there is a powder charge inside the chamber and it could be ignited by even a few small sparks hitting the empty pan. Note that guns with a single set trigger can be fired without first setting the trigger. With a cocked hammer simply pull the trigger more firmly and the hammer will be released. TO PREVENT ACCIDENTS If you allow others to shoot your pistol or rifle, we suggest letting them try the set trigger operation before allowing them to actually load the gun. The very light trigger pressure is a big surprise to many shooters who have not had previous experience with the single or double set trigger system. The hammer does not have to be cocked to allow this trigger practice. Just set the trigger and allow the new shooter to experience the light pressure required on the front trigger of the DST type or the single trigger of the SST type. © 2004 R.Trenk Sr. |
Gee...Thanks for the instruction sheet. ...Like I never read that before. LOL. I do NOT recommend the removal of the set trigger screw on any double set trigger rifle! But that IS the way mine is set up and that's the way I like it.
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Originally Posted by pluckit
(Post 3934012)
Gee...Thanks for the instruction sheet. ...Like I never read that before. LOL. I do NOT recommend the removal of the set trigger screw on any double set trigger rifle! But that IS the way mine is set up and that's the way I like it.
Lyman has made the adjusting screw short on purpose. That way you can't adjust it in too far. That's when you can get the trigger in a dangerous setting. |
Here is one more I found on a Tradidtional ML site... good read
To all: Some thoughts on triggers. If a single simple triggers pivot pin is located about 5/16-3/8 inch ahead of the sear arm the trigger will have a nice crisp 2-3 pound pull. Due to the nature of a double set trigger the pivot pin for the front trigger is usually much further in front of the sear arm resulting in a heavy trigger pull if the rear set trigger is not 'set'. There is no simple adjustment that can be made to correct this condition without buying a double set trigger which has a better design with the pivot pin located further aft, closer to the sear arm. The little screw between the triggers on a double set trigger does NOT change the weight of the front trigger pull. It only changes the amount of engagement between the front trigger and the catch on the rear trigger. Put another way, if this screw is screwed out the front triggers catch engages the rear triggers latch further resulting in a slightly greater amount of front trigger movement to release the rear trigger. If the screw is screwed in to far, the front triggers catch may not catch the rear triggers latch making it impossible to 'set' the rear trigger. Muzzleloading triggers designs follow the historical designs of the triggers made in the 18th and 19th century. They are not intended to be like a fully adjustable modern trigger where everything from release pressure to overtravel is adjustable. Folks wanting that sort of thing should consider shooting modern arms. Triggers on many reproduction guns often have heavy pulls because the sear spring in the lock is much too strong. This spring needs only to be strong enough to insure that the sear will fully engage the half-cock and full cock notches in the tumbler under all conditions. Lightening the force this spring produces will often reduce a very heavy trigger pull to a much lighter pull while still assuring the sears engagement with the tumbler. Double set triggers which won't release the lock by simply pulling the front trigger while the rear trigger is left unset are very likely Double Set Single Lever triggers designed for target shooting. They are also used to provide a 'set trigger' which will work with a flyless lock because often the rear trigger will be held forward by the heavy trigger spring keeping the rear triggers blade pushed up so that it holds the sear in a released condition. The rear trigger must be set on triggers like this before a person can even cock the gun to a full cock position. The front trigger on this type of double set trigger is designed only to release the rear 'set' trigger. It does not have the blade needed to trip the sear on the front trigger. The only fix is to learn to live with it or to replace the trigger assembly with a Double Set Double Lever trigger assembly. |
Originally Posted by Semisane
(Post 3933964)
There's a big difference between set triggers and non-sets. With a set trigger the norm is the trigger is not set until your sights are on the target you want to shoot. In such circumstance there's nothing wrong with a very light adjustment for the front trigger. But a "hair" trigger with regular (non-set) triggers is asking for trouble.
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The trigger I liked best was the replacement trigger by Davis. The rear trigger had a nice light set, but the front trigger worked fine as a hunting trigger without being set by the rear trigger.
It had better geometry than the Lyman or TC double triggers. For $35 it was a worthwhile mod. It drops right in. |
Originally Posted by bronko22000
(Post 3934031)
Semi that is exactly what I mean/do with my T/C Renegade and Hawkens. The set trigger is never engaged until I am aiming at a specified target. Once set and I am committed to firing and on target is when my finger comes in contact with the firing trigger. This trigger as set very light. I have yet to have a rifle fire without my wanting it to. If for some reason I decide not to fire my off hand moves back to the hammer and maintain complete control of it as I release the trigger and lower it to 1/2 c0ck. If a flinter I first flip open the frizzen before lowering the hammer.
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Don't walk behind me.
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Hahaha that wont be hard
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Well, my muzzle loader has the factory trigger, and while I have no idea what the pull weight is since I've not had it measured, it is way to heavy for me. That said, I don't use them enough to have a trigger job done on them.
On my main hunting rifle, I have the trigger set at 2.5lbs which I feel is safe, but still decently light. That said, I normally prefer a much lighter trigger around 1lbs, but my current hunting rifle isn't that light. |
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