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Muley Hunter 02-21-2012 06:45 AM

It wouldn't be legal in Colorado for hunting.

cayugad 02-21-2012 07:41 AM

Well it is snowing like a devil out side.. but I am off to try these ball-ets in a slow twist GMB 50. Should be fun with the snow and all.

Semisane 02-21-2012 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by flounder33 (Post 3913930)
Have you tried this Semi?

Yes, I have Flounder. My first ML rifle was a .40 caliber. I used single balls for small game and double for deer/hogs. It was fine out to 50 yards with the balls hitting pretty much within an inch or so of each other and very consistent as to point of aim.

I really see no need for double balling a .50 for deer. But would not hesitate to do so for elk.

Semisane 02-21-2012 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by cayugad (Post 3913939)
As interesting as that sounds, I just don't think I could make myself do that.

Cayugad, it's really no different than shooting a conical that's twice as heavy as a ball, so long as you assure the balls are seated against each other.

Muley Hunter 02-21-2012 07:59 AM

My mind is having a hard time accepting two balls shot with the same charge as coming even close to the hitting power of a single heavier bullet?
It's true that both balls would be like shooting the elk twice, but it will be at less fpe than a single ball. It would be way less than a conical twice as heavy as one of the balls, if we're talking about penetration.

Muley Hunter 02-21-2012 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3913985)
Cayugad, it's really no different than shooting a conical that's twice as heavy as a ball, so long as you assure the balls are seated against each other.

Can't be unless the balls stay together end to end all the way to impact, and also after impact. It's like a bullet breaking in half otherwise.

UncleNorby 02-21-2012 08:06 AM

The two balls combined, moving at say 1200 fps, would have the same energy as a conical that weighed 2x the weight of a single ball, assuming the conical was also moving at 1200 fps.

So the target would be struck with the same engery, yes. That energy would be spread out over 2x as much area with the balls, as compared to the conical, and so the conical would out-penetrate the balls.

Muley Hunter 02-21-2012 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by UncleNorby (Post 3913996)
The two balls combined, moving at say 1200 fps, would have the same energy as a conical that weighed 2x the weight of a single ball, assuming the conical was also moving at 1200 fps.

So the target would be struck with the same engery, yes. That energy would be spread out over 2x as much area with the balls, as compared to the conical, and so the conical would out-penetrate the balls.

Plus, lets not forget the conical is going to retain more fps/fpe than a RB.

A RB has horrible SD/BC. Using two of them doesn't change that.

UncleNorby 02-21-2012 08:15 AM

True, though at the range that a double ball load would typically be used, probably not much difference.

If the only bullets you have happen to be round balls, and you need to shoot some nasty critter at close range, like 50 yds or less, then a 2 ball load is not a bad idea. Aside from that, I see no practical use for it these days.

Muley Hunter 02-21-2012 08:18 AM

Agreed........

cayugad 02-21-2012 08:58 AM

Muley.. I spoke too soon. I had the rifle out and set to go.. went to the bullet cabinet and found three boxes of 270 grain Ball-ets. Then I remembered.. when the nephews were here last time, they wanted to shoot. Since I never used the 245 grain Ball-ets and they didn't care where they were hitting, I let them take a Knight LK out and shoot off the remaining box of the 245 grain Ball-ets I had. Sorry I could not do the test. I know the 270 grain is too large for a slow twist. But out of my 1-28 LK Knights.. they are deadly with 85 grains of powder.

MountainDevil54 02-21-2012 10:28 AM

must fire a single projectile in CO.

Muley Hunter 02-21-2012 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by cayugad (Post 3914011)
Muley.. I spoke too soon. I had the rifle out and set to go.. went to the bullet cabinet and found three boxes of 270 grain Ball-ets. Then I remembered.. when the nephews were here last time, they wanted to shoot. Since I never used the 245 grain Ball-ets and they didn't care where they were hitting, I let them take a Knight LK out and shoot off the remaining box of the 245 grain Ball-ets I had. Sorry I could not do the test. I know the 270 grain is too large for a slow twist. But out of my 1-28 LK Knights.. they are deadly with 85 grains of powder.

Ok, thanks for trying.

idahoron 02-21-2012 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3913839)
The gun is on the way to me still. Maybe a couple of days it should be here.

It better not be .517. A PRB will fall through. That seems big Ron. What size it your barrel?


The standard size for the top ring on a 50 Cal REAL bullet is .517 My bore is .504 in my GM 50. Ron

builder459 02-21-2012 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3914029)
must fire a single projectile in CO.

Jon, awhile back a guy came on and said Buffalo bullet comapny was still in buisness and he sold the ballets.

builder459 02-21-2012 06:20 PM

http://www.thegunworks.com/custprodg...0%26%20Bullets These guys always carry them. $12.00 per 50 of the 245 gr ballets.

MountainDevil54 02-21-2012 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3914200)
Jon, awhile back a guy came on and said Buffalo bullet comapny was still in buisness and he sold the ballets.

I heard something like that as well but never really perked my interest. Last time i shot any buffalo bullets was a few months ago. The ballets did good but the 385gr buffalo bullet wouldnt shoot for nothing. Melted them the other day actually :rock:

builder459 02-21-2012 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3914208)
I heard something like that as well but never really perked my interest. Last time i shot any buffalo bullets was a few months ago. The ballets did good but the 385gr buffalo bullet wouldnt shoot for nothing. Melted them the other day actually :rock:

the place i posted has sold them for a long time, i bought some of the .270 gr ballets from him, to shoot out of the wolverine.. reasonable prices also..

Muley Hunter 02-21-2012 06:43 PM

I didn't know Jon was looking for ball-ets?

bronko22000 02-22-2012 02:04 PM

Muley - I sent you a bunch of 245 gr Ball-ets to try. You should be getting them in a day or two.

Muley Hunter 02-22-2012 02:07 PM

Thanks bud. I have almost everything I need to shoot now. I'll be going out Friday to sight it in and get used to a flint, and hopefully hunting on Sat if it all works out.

arcticap 02-22-2012 11:45 PM

If Hornady does end up closing one door by discontinuing the PA Conical then Buffalo Bullets will have opened up another door with their Ball-ets, again.
Cabela's has even been stocking some of them again.

Buffalo Bullet is back in buisness

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...-buisness.html


Originally Posted by Dougmeyer
Buffalo Bullet is back in buisness contact your local gun shops for details Ron Dahlitz has moved his company to Los Angeles Ca phone number is 323-585-5058 ext 223 thanks



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