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Semisane 02-06-2012 07:59 PM
Well Sabotloader, I shoot 45-70 bullets from my .50's. But I have to bow in reverence to the advantage of the 1:26 twist on your .52.

Now, if only I could convince Green Mountain to produce a run of .50 TC Hawken drop in barrels in a 1:24.

sabotloader 02-06-2012 08:22 PM
Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3909329)
Well Sabotloader, I shoot 45-70 bullets from my .50's. But I have to bow in reverence to the advantage of the 1:26 twist on your .52.

Now, if only I could convince Green Mountain to produce a run of .50 TC Hawken drop in barrels in a 1:24.
Correct you can, but can you shoot 375 grain projectiles with 150 grains of T7 or Bh and can you ignite the powder column in the middle of the column instead of the bottom of the column. This center ignition provides a more efficient burn and increases velocity and energy.

This ignition system was developed for BP artillery loads, them Knight backed it way down in size to work in a muzzleloader.

Semisane 02-06-2012 08:49 PM
:s14: Well, no. I can't shoot those loads. :s10: And in my world of 175 yard maximum I can't think of any reason why I would want to. ;)

But the great thing about this game of ours is the option to play with whatever tickles your fancy. We could shoot side-by-side, you with your .52, big bullets and Blackhorn, and me with my .58 with round balls and GOEX and both be happy enjoying the company and the day.

1874sharpsshooter 02-07-2012 05:07 AM
Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3909329)
Well Sabotloader,
Now, if only I could convince Green Mountain to produce a run of .50 TC Hawken drop in barrels in a 1:24.
I got one last run , if they would produce the barrel only it would be even better. When I got mine I had to buy it with the long Malcolm scope on it. Nice barrel for sure.

SuperKirby 02-07-2012 05:27 AM
I was just on GMB's website yesterday. They have the .50 1:24" twist listed in stock. Unfortunately it still has the scope on it and is $599. Seems like they would sell a lot more of them if the scope was optional.

flounder33 02-07-2012 06:22 AM
Originally Posted by sabotloader (Post 3909314)
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I know everybody laughs at the 52 cal but I have one and it would be one of the guns that I would hang on to. The main reason is the 1-26 twist - accuracy is outstanding - especially at long ranges. This twist and the 1-24 twist in my White are worth a bunch to me with the bullets that I shoot.
To me it is interesting that Knight decided to go with a faster twist with the 52 instead of with the other calibers. Doc White correctly increased the twist rate as the caliber decreased in size. I wonder why Knight is so stuck on a 1 in 28 inch twist in their 50 caliber barrels. Is the changeover to a faster twist so expensive that it makes it cost prohibitive to change or at least offer a choice or is it just stubborness? :s4:

sabotloader 02-07-2012 06:25 AM
Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3909339)
:s14: Well, no. I can't shoot those loads. :s10: And in my world of 175 yard maximum I can't think of any reason why I would want to. ;)
Agree, with you i would not shoot those loads around here either... but what if you were in Canada or Alaska hunting Brown Bear or Grizzly or real Canadian Moose. Those might be a little more appealing at 100 yards. My point is the 52 gives you the option of really big game or just a plain old Whitetail with a .458-200 grain bullet. And with the twist rate it shoots them all very well.

It is not a very popular caliber, it never will be but it does offer some options, especially if you like ML hunting the really big and dangerous animals, or even hunting regular animals.

but, grainted your 58 will make a bigger hole :arms: and that use to be a pre-requisite for shooting a PRB's. Ah darn, the good ole days where have they gone?

But the great thing about this game of ours is the option to play with whatever tickles your fancy. We could shoot side-by-side, you with your .52, big bullets and Blackhorn, and me with my .58 with round balls and GOEX and both be happy enjoying the company and the day.

Thats for sure...
I probably would not be shooting Black Gold, but it still would be fun... fun for a few shots anyway - then the shoulder might not agree.

sabotloader 02-07-2012 06:30 AM
Originally Posted by flounder33 (Post 3909433)
To me it is interesting that Knight decided to go with a faster twist with the 52 instead of with the other calibers. Doc White correctly increased the twist rate as the caliber decreased in size. I wonder why Knight is so stuck on a 1 in 28 inch twist in their 50 caliber barrels. Is the changeover to a faster twist so expensive that it makes it cost prohibitive to change or at least offer a choice or is it just stubborness? :s4:
Art, I do not think so.. when they were making plans for the re-entry into the market several people suggested the 1-24 twist for the 50, but it came down to the fact the majority of the population were trustful of the 1-28 very successfull twist. It is very hard to change public opinion and they could not afford not to produce a gun that would not sell or create questions.

Same for the 27" barrel on the Mountaineer... why 27 instead of 26... because it seemed that more people wanted the longer barrel versus the shorter... market appleal drives a lot of companies to change good things.

Muley Hunter 02-07-2012 07:32 AM
Originally Posted by sabotloader (Post 3909434)
Agree, with you i would not shoot those loads around here either... but what if you were in Canada or Alaska hunting Brown Bear or Grizzly or real Canadian Moose. Those might be a little more appealing at 100 yards. My point is the 52 gives you the option of really big game or just a plain old Whitetail with a .458-200 grain bullet. And with the twist rate it shoots them all very well.

It is not a very popular caliber, it never will be but it does offer some options, especially if you like ML hunting the really big and dangerous animals, or even hunting regular animals.

but, grainted your 58 will make a bigger hole :arms: and that use to be a pre-requisite for shooting a PRB's. Ah darn, the good ole days where have they gone?



I probably would not be shooting Black Gold, but it still would be fun... fun for a few shots anyway - then the shoulder might not agree.
If I was hunting brown bear in Alaska. I'd have a gun with more than one shot in it. :)

1874sharpsshooter 02-07-2012 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3909457)
If I was hunting brown bear in Alaska. I'd have a gun with more than one shot in it. :)
Thats why they make double barrel blackpowder rifles.


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