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ModernPrimitive 01-11-2012 02:55 PM

The squeeze is on
 
So, just as I am increasing the amount of shooting I do local retailers, of all sizes, are decreasing their inventory.

I don't know if it is strictly NY, but apparently there are some strict rules governing the storage & sale of loose powder-777, Pyrodex,etc. Consequently,stores have simply chosen not to sell it; this includes some major retailers as well as the few smaller shops. For the first time ever last month I had to give a copy of my driver's license to purchase 1lb of 777 and am limited to 2 lbs purchase in 30 days,IIRC.
Obviously the predominance of in-line rifles comes into to play as well & forget finding round balls on the shelf.
While I've been striving to do business locally it seems, at least on this front, to have become impossible.
This irks me since it used to be so easy and here's the thing that I'm just waking up to. Forget the "they're trying to take our guns" routine. Nobody is taking any guns; it is much easier to take the ammo.

JLmoore1956 01-11-2012 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by 3seasons (Post 3900328)
So, just as I am increasing the amount of shooting I do local retailers, of all sizes, are decreasing their inventory.

I don't know if it is strictly NY, but apparently there are some strict rules governing the storage & sale of loose powder-777, Pyrodex,etc. Consequently,stores have simply chosen not to sell it; this includes some major retailers as well as the few smaller shops. For the first time ever last month I had to give a copy of my driver's license to purchase 1lb of 777 and am limited to 2 lbs purchase in 30 days,IIRC.
Obviously the predominance of in-line rifles comes into to play as well & forget finding round balls on the shelf.
While I've been striving to do business locally it seems, at least on this front, to have become impossible.
This irks me since it used to be so easy and here's the thing that I'm just waking up to. Forget the "they're trying to take our guns" routine. Nobody is taking any guns; it is much easier to take the ammo.

Well I just left NY after being stationed at Fort Drum in Northern New York. I did like the fact of rifle hunting, having grown up in Ohio, but the restrictions on more and more hunting like this, makes me glad I am back in Ohio. And what's more I can have all the pistols I want even BLACK POWDER! That was what struck me the most, have to get a pistol permit. Nice to have freedom again!

Sorry they are taking the fun out of muzzle loading now up there! :devil:

rafsob 01-11-2012 03:44 PM

Have not seen this here in Virginia, but being NY this doesn't surprise me any.

cayugad 01-11-2012 04:08 PM

There are many anti hunting and shooting movements out there. And while some of them claim they have good intentions.. the do not care who they step on to feed their agenda. They also scream loudly. And use public media to intimidate the representative of the people, that make the laws. One of the problems we as hunters face is ... people have refused to take responsibility for their actions. So in turn, the idea is.. blame someone else and punish or restrict them and everyone else.

Breechplug 01-11-2012 04:32 PM

First off NY SUCKS, I love the State but Hate who runs it, if I did'nt have all my Family and Home and all here I'd be gone.
Our Wal-Mart used to sell Powder and Pellets, they quit selling them years ago, and even quit selling all firearms execpt for BP MLers. But Wal-Mart has lost BIG money and is going to start selling Rifles and Shotguns again.
I was a little disappointed this fall when I went to my local shop t get some Pyro RS and some Pyro Pellets for the wife only to find they no longer sell them, I asked why and he said it was because of all the Fee's and Rigamarony associated with it, I was lucky to find them at another shop close by.
3seasons is in the part of NY we call the City, they run all of our State and they dont even know we exist in my part of NY, there rules and regulations are much more strict then they are where Im from. But eventually we Country NYers have to deal with whatever happens as to what them City NYers say. If we had our way here we'd cut off that part of NYS from our part and we'd be much better off, our taxes would be cheaper and we would'nt have to pay for everything that goes on in that part of NY.
All I can say is keep Voting in them Democrats in the (City) part of NY and that's what you'll get, a Democratic run NYS.
(BP)

quake 01-11-2012 05:01 PM

Get 'em Breech hahahaha. I love it.

rafsob 01-11-2012 05:08 PM

I hear ya BP. I left NJ back in '66 and didn't look back. My bride is from NY and I know how the city can be nothing more then a blood sucking leech. I hunted in up state for years as a kid with pop and those folks are a different breed of good folks. But the city folks... well I think just about everyone know how they are.

I think the state is regulating your sport into the grave. Can't take our guns, then they can take your ammo or reloading stuff. This will slowly destroy your sport and take your heritage away!!!

ModernPrimitive 01-11-2012 05:16 PM

JLmoore1956-That's another thing, the pistol permit. I suppose I've remained willfully ignorant figuring that, hey, I live in the Country, we all have guns, & that's the natural course of things...Until I began researching the pistol permit process; IIRC- 5 personal references one of whom must be law enforcement, after the licensing course, & a time-frame as I recall of 6-8 months!! Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

No wonder the criminal element has guns-it's the law abiding citizen who's left hanging!! Who makes these laws?

I don't want to sound like a reactionary here. As I mentioned, willful ignorance coupled with the ignorant bliss of Country Life allowed me to delude myself about reality; it's a rude awakening, I guess.

ModernPrimitive 01-11-2012 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by rafsob (Post 3900382)
I hear ya BP. I left NJ back in '66 and didn't look back. My bride is from NY and I know how the city can be nothing more then a blood sucking leech. I hunted in up state for years as a kid with pop and those folks are a different breed of good folks. But the city folks... well I think just about everyone know how they are.

I think the state is regulating your sport into the grave. Can't take our guns, then they can take your ammo or reloading stuff. This will slowly destroy your sport and take your heritage away!!!

I couldn't agree more, NY is regulating hunting into an early demi$e. Albany, the capital, where all these decisions are made is @ 30 miles as the crow flies from me-clearly that's a loooooooooong 30 miles!!
Honestly, the thought that ammo, not guns, is the path of least resistance for control just struck me in the past couple months & i am glad to hear this is not the case everywhere.

I just watched a show last night @ Billy the Kid & couldn't help but feel, though not easy by any means, that was a time one could really LIVE. Me, I'm feeling a bit constrained at this point.

onetohunt 01-11-2012 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by Breechplug (Post 3900364)
First off NY SUCKS, I love the State but Hate who runs it, if I did'nt have all my Family and Home and all here I'd be gone.
Our Wal-Mart used to sell Powder and Pellets, they quit selling them years ago, and even quit selling all firearms execpt for BP MLers. But Wal-Mart has lost BIG money and is going to start selling Rifles and Shotguns again.
I was a little disappointed this fall when I went to my local shop t get some Pyro RS and some Pyro Pellets for the wife only to find they no longer sell them, I asked why and he said it was because of all the Fee's and Rigamarony associated with it, I was lucky to find them at another shop close by.
3seasons is in the part of NY we call the City, they run all of our State and they dont even know we exist in my part of NY, there rules and regulations are much more strict then they are where Im from. But eventually we Country NYers have to deal with whatever happens as to what them City NYers say. If we had our way here we'd cut off that part of NYS from our part and we'd be much better off, our taxes would be cheaper and we would'nt have to pay for everything that goes on in that part of NY.
All I can say is keep Voting in them Democrats in the (City) part of NY and that's what you'll get, a Democratic run NYS.
(BP)

Hey BP wal-mart did the same thing here in Missouri also, then this past fall, they put a pencil to the amount of sales they lost($10,000,000) in hunting, and guess what? They started putting all the guns and things back in. Just goes to show you it is all about the dollar. I'm glad that they lost that much, it hopefully will open there eyes all over, so maybe they will get it back in in NY.

Breechplug 01-11-2012 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by 3seasons (Post 3900387)
I couldn't agree more, NY is regulating hunting into an early demi$e. Albany, the capital, where all these decisions are made is @ 30 miles as the crow flies from me-clearly that's a loooooooooong 30 miles!!
Honestly, the thought that ammo, not guns, is the path of least resistance for control just struck me in the past couple months & i am glad to hear this is not the case everywhere.

I just watched a show last night @ Billy the Kid & couldn't help but feel, though not easy by any means, that was a time one could really LIVE. Me, I'm feeling a bit constrained at this point.

3season's, wait untill you see what NY has in store for Next Hunting Season,,,,,,we get 1 Buck Tag, good for either BOW or Gun Season. If you take a Buck with your Bow your Done! NO Gun Season for You. Also they are just about doing away with Doe Tags, if your Lucky to get one you will be real lucky.
NY is trying to PO all NY Hunters so they wont want to Hunt anymore, they tried Rasing the prices of our Hunting Licenses and it got a-lot of hunters to quit, now there trying to make it so we dont even want to hunt anymore. NY is going back to the old days when we had 1 Buck Tag and no Doe Tags....do you remember? I do. I was young enough to hunt then and when I took a buck during archery season I could'nt hunt the Gun Season, it killed me, it was'nt fair.
If you want to see who wrote these bills it's all the Democrats, they Hate Us Hunters!
(BP)

Breechplug 01-11-2012 05:59 PM

SORRY for Hating on NYS so much tonight but I got our County Taxes in the mail today, and lets just say I could buy 4 New Top of the line MLer's with Scopes, Powder and Bullets for them all with extras for what I have to pay in Taxes. Most of it is Medicade, Im paying for all the one's who are Illegal or dont want to work and keep on having kids so I have to pay for them and suffer for myself. NYS is TAXING us right out of the State. We pay the Highest Property Taxes in the USA.
If your a Illegal or dont want to work and be on Welfare and want FREE Housing, FREE Gas and Electric, FREE FOOD, FREE Heathcare and all the rest that comes with it that we have to pay for, Move to NYS, you'll have it made! But of you want to buy Black Powder you'll pay extra just because we need the money for the other's who want to work the System.
(BP)
(BP)

Semisane 01-11-2012 06:00 PM

Y`all come on down.

Constitution of the State of Louisiana.


sabotloader 01-11-2012 06:08 PM

u-all should look into Hillary Clinton's favorite new thing. The World Wide Small Arms Treaty...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2769026/posts

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5855

Breechplug 01-11-2012 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by sabotloader (Post 3900411)
u-all should look into Hillary Clinton's favorite new thing. The World Wide Small Arms Treaty...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2769026/posts

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5855

Seen it,
And weather your a Democrat or a Republican you all better wake up and see that our rights are being slowly taken away.Our Constitution is no longer the Law of the Land but something that can be Dishonered and Rewritten to what they now think that it says or stands for.
The Federal Justices that are now being Voted in are there because of what You the Voter Vote for, it's your Vote. This is'nt a Democrat or a Republican Vote, it's a Life, Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness Vote.
If you believe in the Constitution, GOD and America, and most , our Forefathers and why they did what they had to do to preserve the Libertys that we all have now,Vote Out the one's who are against our Liberty's and Freedoms that we all take for granted now.
This is'nt the USA that you grew up in and learned to Love and Enjoy, this is a New America, one's that know not what You can do for your Country, but what there Country can do for Them.
(BP)

Dutch 01-11-2012 06:29 PM

everything said here is all true and it kind of makes me sick. My kids wont enjoy the same right as me in their life times.

ModernPrimitive 01-11-2012 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by cayugad (Post 3900360)
There are many anti hunting and shooting movements out there. And while some of them claim they have good intentions.. the do not care who they step on to feed their agenda. They also scream loudly. And use public media to intimidate the representative of the people, that make the laws. One of the problems we as hunters face is ... people have refused to take responsibility for their actions. So in turn, the idea is.. blame someone else and punish or restrict them and everyone else.

I suppose that's another point of ignorance for me; growing up in a rural & at the time actively agrarian locale, hunting was just a part of the natural order-I couldn't wait to be old enough for a Big game license.
Later I became aware of PETA, thought about it, and simply could not equate an ad clubbing a seal w/ hunting. Sadly, I disregarded PETA thereafter & even now cannot understand an anti-hunting stance. They say prostitution is the oldest profession, but as a species we've been hunting for quite a while. Anti-hunting? We would not BE here at all without it!
So, my view of the natural order of things must obviously shift paradigms; the issues I felt bore no consideration surely must.

Breechplug 01-11-2012 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 3900418)
everything said here is all true and it kind of makes me sick. My kids wont enjoy the same right as me in their life times.

That's what Washington thought, but when he was crossing the Delaware he had determination and hope, he believed in the new Colonies, and so is what you need to do. There are those out there that still Believe, you just need to believe as they do and stand beside them. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
(BP)

DavidD. 01-11-2012 07:05 PM

Today at the local Dicks, there was loose 777 containers. I used pelleted 777 in my Knight BP rifle so never had a need for the loose stuff.

rafsob 01-12-2012 04:09 AM


Originally Posted by onetohunt (Post 3900394)
Hey BP wal-mart did the same thing here in Missouri also, then this past fall, they put a pencil to the amount of sales they lost($10,000,000) in hunting, and guess what? They started putting all the guns and things back in. Just goes to show you it is all about the dollar. I'm glad that they lost that much, it hopefully will open there eyes all over, so maybe they will get it back in in NY.

Remember one thing when it comes to Wally World, they do over a billion dollars in sales daily!!! I really don't think that 10 mil will hurt them. But as with anything in this world, money makes it go around! And remember another thing, a company the size of WW can even make laws happen if they wanted. Scarry thought, eh? :bash:

Landngroove 01-12-2012 04:58 AM

[quote=Breechplug;3900417]Seen it,
And weather your a Democrat or a Republican you all better wake up and see that our rights are being slowly taken away.
BP: I have to disagree with you. Thanks to the Dems, our rights are RAPIDLY being taken away.

omegasmoke 01-12-2012 06:23 AM

The wal-marts around me quit selling any blackpowder merchandise also. They never had much of an inventory to start with, but now they have none at all.

gman57 01-12-2012 12:08 PM

BP don't forget the other nice deal those in power in Albany did for us senior hunters took the senior hunting license and made it not available till the age of 70. That was one of the few things I was looking forward to at 65 now have to hope legs and back still work well enough at 70 to want to take advantage of the senior license .

Landngroove 01-12-2012 12:11 PM

Thank your Dem. governor, Coomoo


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