CVA problem
 

My nephew has a .50 inline CVA that he has a BIG problem with, to the point of being dangerous I think. He is using 2: 50 gr Pyrodex pellets and 295 gr Powerbelts. When he loads on a clean barrel, everything is good. BUT when he loads after just 1 shot, the Powerbelt is a good 1/4" to 1/2" away from the powder charge, based on the ramrod!! That is definately not a good thing.

I have no experience with inlines, but I want to help him resolve this. With my traditional Pedersoli, shooting 80 gr loose 777, I can go at least 4 to 5 shots with a Powerbelt before I can really start to feel it get hard to load at the bottom. Any ideas what could be going on?

777 creates a crud ring, this is why your having the problem your having.take a mixture of 50/50 windex/alcohol and apply a small amount to a patch ( don't saturate it) and swab between shots.swab pull patch out and flip it and swab again and your problem will be solved. do not continue to shoot the rifle if the bullet isn't seated firmly on the powder. IT"S DANGEROUS and could possibly bulge or blow up the barrel.

Sounds to me it is due to a crud ring. Is he swabbing before firing another round?

Sorry, I should not have confused things with what I shoot. My nephew is shooting Pyrodex pellets. I have told him NOT to shoot any more til we get this worked out. IMHO, he should not have to swab between every shot...or is that typical of inlines? As I said, my only experience is with my traditional and loose powder.

inlines and traditional rifles, i swab between shots with the mix stated earlier. I figure, you are going to hunt on an clean bore. target shoot with an pretty clean bore.

as for the pellets, I don't like them. they seem dirtier then loose.

Thats not a gun problem, thats just the crud ring T7 - Pyrodex - American Pioneer create due to the heat from the 209 primers. You have to swab in between shots in order to get past it.

You don't get a crud ring at the bottom of the bore with a #11 cap due to them producing low heat.

Using pellets the box does not seal good and if they gather some moisture the first sign will be burning very dirty the next might be hang fires at first only a little after that like a flinter.
Try letting him use a few loads of your loose if that solves the problem then loose powder is a good answer the cans seal much better.

pyrodex can cause the crud ring also.either way swab between shots and i am willing to bet the problem goes away.i still swab between shot when i shoot the wolverine and conicals..not a big deal.

Use rubbing alchol on a patch between shots, cheap and works well. After you do it look through the fire channel,if plugged use a nipple pick or snap a cap or primer.
Nit Wit

Right on the nose builder. :woot:

Are you saying that the 209 primer my nephew uses creates a significantly worse crud ring than my #11 magnum primers? I never would have thought that. I was going to try loose powder in his rifle the next time at the range, thinking that maybe the pellets were dirtier. Should be interesting to see if that makes a difference. It may be he is just going to have to swab between every shot.

I know for sure he can get a proper seat for the PB if he swabs every time. But I have always been told by traditional black powder folks who shoot at the range in competition that they always like to shoot on a fouled barrel and I always told him that. Maybe that's the difference between modern and traditional. Or maybe Powerbelts and a patched roundball.

That's right Bruce, but you can still get a crud ring even using caps. It is absolutely best to swab between shots with an alcohol or Windex patch then a dry patch or two.

The severity of it, even the existence of it, can vary from one rifle to the next even among rifles of the same make and model.

Worst invention I ever came up with. ;)

Yes the hotter 209 primer creates a far worse crud ring , than a #11 cap will.you will know when you hit the crud ring during swabbing between shots.if it's real hard work it back and forth with the moist patch and it will dissolve.

So YOU'RE the one that developed the crud ring! Where do you live? :s2::s2:

I am hoping he can at least get at least 1 follow-up shot before swabbing. Swabbing between shots is no big deal on the range, but it would be nice to not have to do it in the woods during deer season in case he wounds a deer and needs another "quick" killing shot.

Thanks everyone for an education. It's a good day when I can learn something!

Try getting some primers that were made for T7. They are a little cooler

I cant believe that after just one shot your Nephew has that hard of a time pushing the Sabot onto the Pellets for the next shot, is He pushing down Hard Enough on the Sabot for the second shot? Usually Powerbelts Load Easy. I have owned at least 7 different CVA's and have shot Pyrodox out of all of them and never experienced this with any of them, even after going 3-4 shots befor swabing.
Have Him try a Lightly coated Windex Patch between shots and see if this helps. I would Never Shoot a Charge that was'nt seated Properly, especially as far off as you say it is.
I have No clue what could be wrong, just try the Windex Patch Swab between shots and see if that helps.
(BP)

I have a hard time believing it myself. I also tried it myself because I thought he wasn't pushing hard enough. But it is impossible to completely push down that second shot. That's why I asked here, because I have never seen anything like it. Heck, I can get at least 4 shots with Powerbelts out of my rifle before swabbing; more if I wanted to push a little harder.

Its hard to push through the crud ring of T7 even with a powerbelt. IMR White Hots are a LITTLE softer fouling wise but even then you can end up with a nut down each pant leg at the end of the day from pushing.

I thought Your Nephew used Regular Pyrodox Pellets and You said (You) used the T7. Well if He uses T7 then I can see some Crud from the T7 but that much. Have Him try the Regular Pyrodox Pellets, they work just fine, see if that makes a difference.
(BP)