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BigDaddy12t 11-07-2011 09:59 AM

Is this a scratch, or a crack?
 




Is it safe tout what do you think? shoot? Or should I take it and have it checked out. Was hopingf to hunt this afternoon, but not sure if its safe or not. The closest gun shop is an hour away. I know its hard to say without really seeing it in person, b

mountaineer magic 11-07-2011 10:04 AM

Kinda looks like a crack in the photo. Pics can be deceiving though. I would check it first . Better yet now you have a reason to own several backup guns.

Grouse45 11-07-2011 10:05 AM

If it was mine, i would take it hunting tonight.

Muley Hunter 11-07-2011 10:07 AM

I see a small dent at the start of it, and then it fades off. Like it was hit and dragged.

I say scratch.

BigDaddy12t 11-07-2011 10:09 AM

Thaks guys.

bronko22000 11-07-2011 10:13 AM

I look at metal parts all day and that is definately a scratch. Like Muley said, it starts out with a dent and then tapers off. Also, you would see the depth on the face of the receiver if it was a crack.

corey012778 11-07-2011 10:20 AM

I would say scratch just from the pics. I would take an magnifying glass and get an better look. that is what all the gun smith would do around where i live would do. to really check if there is an problem in the metal is very expensive and I don't know any where in Va that does it.

MountainDevil54 11-07-2011 10:22 AM

ugly scratch. You can see some tiny scratches just below as well.

BigDaddy12t 11-07-2011 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by bronko22000 (Post 3872219)
I look at metal parts all day and that is definately a scratch. Like Muley said, it starts out with a dent and then tapers off. Also, you would see the depth on the face of the receiver if it was a crack.


This is exactly what I thought too. And I cant see any marks at all on the face. Thanks for the input.

HEAD0001 11-07-2011 02:00 PM

I don't mean to sound rude. But it is your rifle. So did you scratch it?? That is a pretty bad scratch so you should know whether you did it or not. Did you drop the rifle on a hard surface?? How did it get there?? That can tell you which one it is.

I have never had a mark like that on any rifle I have ever owned in over 40 years. So how did it get there??

If you have any doubt then don't shoot the rifle. Shooting it with doubt would be crazy. Tom.

bronko22000 11-07-2011 02:12 PM

Blowing it up to 400% on my screen I can see some "buggering" marks right on the corner of the top of the receiver. I would be willing to bet someone got the breech plug stuck and used some kind of tool to take it out and dinged the receiver.

EndeavorShooter 11-07-2011 02:38 PM

it's a CVA, with their rep. i wouldn't take a chance. that scratch could turn into a crack, with their cheap stuff.

Take it easy MD, just joking. :s2:

But, seriously, who is cleaning that thing? it wouldn't suprise me if you said no one.

BigDaddy12t 11-07-2011 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by EndeavorShooter (Post 3872315)
it's a CVA, with their rep. i wouldn't take a chance. that scratch could turn into a crack, with their cheap stuff.

Take it easy MD, just joking. :s2:

But, seriously, who is cleaning that thing? it wouldn't suprise me if you said no one.

Man, between you and head, this sure turned into a bash BigDaddy thread!:confused0024:Thanks for the input!

Grouse45 11-07-2011 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by EndeavorShooter (Post 3872315)

But, seriously, who is cleaning that thing? it wouldn't suprise me if you said no one.

Please tell me your smoking marijuana right now because you have a prescription for it. If not, why in the world would you say something so stupid? The guy is just asking for opinions plain and simple. In the end he will do what he thinks is right. This is exactly why people are afraid to post things on this board and other boards.

HEAD0001 11-07-2011 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by BigDaddy12t (Post 3872357)
Man, between you and head, this sure turned into a bash BigDaddy thread!:confused0024:Thanks for the input!


If you think I bashed you then please accept my apology. I did not mean to bash. And I even said my question might seem a bit abrupt.

But the question is relevant. How did the mark get there?? Did you scratch it?? Drop it?? Or did it just appear out of the blue?? That is a very important question. If you think it is bashing, then again I apologize. But the question is very relevant. Tom.

Grouse45 11-07-2011 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by HEAD0001 (Post 3872372)
If you think I bashed you then please accept my apology. I did not mean to bash. And I even said my question might seem a bit abrupt.

But the question is relevant. How did the mark get there?? Did you scratch it?? Drop it?? Or did it just appear out of the blue?? That is a very important question. If you think it is bashing, then again I apologize. But the question is very relevant. Tom.

I don't think you meant anything bad at all. I understand what you are trying to say but? Haven't you ever got a scratch on your gun/car/window and didn't realize how it got there? I think anything is possible to tell you the truth.

BigDaddy12t 11-07-2011 04:18 PM

Thank you Grouse.:party0005:

Muley Hunter 11-07-2011 04:20 PM

So, how did you screw up your gun?








Kidding...just kidding.:wave:

BigDaddy12t 11-07-2011 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by HEAD0001 (Post 3872372)
If you think I bashed you then please accept my apology. I did not mean to bash. And I even said my question might seem a bit abrupt.

But the question is relevant. How did the mark get there?? Did you scratch it?? Drop it?? Or did it just appear out of the blue?? That is a very important question. If you think it is bashing, then again I apologize. But the question is very relevant. Tom.

Apology accepted. To be honest, if I knew how the mark got there, I would probably know if it is a sctatch or a crack. All I know, is I went to the range and shot 2 shots without swabbing inbetween shots. I did run som wet patches down it before I put it in the case. I noticed the crack when I was puting it in the case. I did not drop it, it did not fall off the bench, nothing. So I figured the only thing it could be is I either scratched it when I was swabbing it, or it cracked when I took one of the shots. But I dont remember seeing it "while" I was swabbing it either. So I think it happened some how between swabbing, and puting it in the case.

BigDaddy12t 11-07-2011 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3872382)
So, how did you screw up your gun?








Kidding...just kidding.:wave:

I think it happened when I hit that buck over the head with it before I shot him, I was ttrying to daze him so he wouldnt run away.:D

HEAD0001 11-07-2011 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by BigDaddy12t (Post 3872386)
Apology accepted. To be honest, if I knew how the mark got there, I would probably know if it is a sctatch or a crack. All I know, is I went to the range and shot 2 shots without swabbing inbetween shots. I did run som wet patches down it before I put it in the case. I noticed the crack when I was puting it in the case. I did not drop it, it did not fall off the bench, nothing. So I figured the only thing it could be is I either scratched it when I was swabbing it, or it cracked when I took one of the shots. But I dont remember seeing it "while" I was swabbing it either. So I think it happened some how between swabbing, and puting it in the case.


Then I would definitely have it checked out. You know you didn't drop it, and that is about the only other way it could have happened.

I hope it works out OK for you. And if it is cracked then they would probably send you another rifle. But I certainly would not take a chance with it. Safety is far too important. Tom.

MountainDevil54 11-07-2011 04:53 PM

easily just a nasty scratch guys. Zoom in on it and you'll see that there are multiple scratches. The main scratch you can see the frame is boogered up a bit and then a deep scratch towards the front that tapers off

EndeavorShooter 11-07-2011 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Grouse45 (Post 3872367)
Please tell me your smoking marijuana right now because you have a prescription for it. If not, why in the world would you say something so stupid? The guy is just asking for opinions plain and simple. In the end he will do what he thinks is right. This is exactly why people are afraid to post things on this board and other boards.


Because I stated the obvious, that gun is nsty dirty and even pitted. I have never seen one that bad, without looking down the barrel.

Are you playing the caped crusader now, trying to get some groupies back??

Grouse45 11-07-2011 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by EndeavorShooter (Post 3872466)
Because I stated the obvious, that gun is nsty dirty and even pitted. I have never seen one that bad, without looking down the barrel.

Are you playing the caped crusader now, trying to get some groupies back??

The subject was about the scratch. I looked at nothing else to be honest. He was just at the range so the gun would of been dirty. BTW, it's better that you have all the support and not me. The threads will be alot shorter.

EndeavorShooter 11-07-2011 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Grouse45 (Post 3872474)
The subject was about the scratch. I looked at nothing else to be honest. He was just at the range so the gun would of been dirty. BTW, it's better that you have all the support and not me. The threads will be alot shorter.

The difference here is I don't want or need support, I am not the shill. Not trying to sell anyone, anything! Maybe you should call knight and see if they will take care of it, for him.

MountainDevil54 11-07-2011 06:11 PM

in bigdaddys defense on the pitting on the face of the frame, thats actually what happens with loose head spacing. All the stuff blows back and pits it. My first optima has a small amount of pitting. Its stopped since ive adjusted my headspace. That primer carbon is a PITA to get off, i used to have to use oiled steel wool and over time, removed the nickel finish off that part of the frame. No biggy as the natural color matches but thats why you see the pitting. He has since then adjusted the headspace from what i can see.

sabotloader 11-07-2011 06:19 PM

BigDaddy12t

For what is worth - i to believe it to be a scratch - I copied your picture and instered into a program I have - Isoloated the area magnified that and rotated it so I could see the face of the frame - Scratch

I would also indicate to you - I beleive it is very easy to scartch that type of frame. It is not that hard and the opaque surface can easily rubbed through.

my 2 cents..

Grouse45 11-07-2011 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by EndeavorShooter (Post 3872475)
Maybe you should call knight and see if they will take care of it, for him.

Not a bad idea, he would really enjoy a new Knight rifle. Good idea endeavor.

BigDaddy12t 11-07-2011 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by sabotloader (Post 3872481)
BigDaddy12t

For what is worth - i to believe it to be a scratch - I copied your picture and instered into a program I have - Isoloated the area magnified that and rotated it so I could see the face of the frame - Scratch

I would also indicate to you - I beleive it is very easy to scartch that type of frame. It is not that hard and the opaque surface can easily rubbed through.

my 2 cents..

Thank you sabatloader! You went above and beond what I asked, and I appreciate it very much.

BigDaddy12t 11-07-2011 07:04 PM

Thanks to you too Jon!

Big Z 11-08-2011 07:15 AM

I have been in photography for several years, and was able to put your pictures into my editor. By altering the flux capacitor and rerouting the color input to the "POS CVA" function, I found out that is indeed a crack. You will need to purchase 1 shipping label addressed to me, put it on a box, and put the gun in the box. Mail it to me and I will see to it that the gun gets disposed of PROPERLY and in a TIMELY manner. This is for your safety, and the safety of all of those around you. I won't charge a dime to help you out on this one.

sabotloader 11-08-2011 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Big Z (Post 3872681)
I have been in photography for several years, and was able to put your pictures into my editor. By altering the flux capacitor and rerouting the color input to the "POS CVA" function, I found out that is indeed a crack. You will need to purchase 1 shipping label addressed to me, put it on a box, and put the gun in the box. Mail it to me and I will see to it that the gun gets disposed of PROPERLY and in a TIMELY manner. This is for your safety, and the safety of all of those around you. I won't charge a dime to help you out on this one.

Dang!!!:arms: I wish I would have thought of that one...


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