Alliant Black MZ
 

Peterson's Hunting magazine had a nice write up about the powder and was wondering if anyone else read the article.

relabeled american pioneer

What did they say? Did they know it's just APP powder?

"4 years in the works ...Black MZ is based on Ascorbic acid, eliminates corrosive sulfur altogether and has additives to tame the hygroscopic agents still in mix...testing at 70* 95% humidity for 14days found only a gain of 2% water weight, while the competition gained up to 25%...lower ignition temps...easy use with #11 caps..use right in pan for flinters....only a slight hint of crud ring after 7 shots... velocities very close to BH-777." I only gave short snips of article.

just got 2 cans but probably wont play around with it for a while. wish they would have bought out the black mag3 company or rights to produce it. i was hoping this was the case. i saw on review that the person had poor accuracy due to lube in the barrel. Cabelas has it on sale 23.99$

Have you opened a can yet? If so move the powder around and see if it comes with a dehumidifier pack in it...

The new APP/Shockey Gold Super powder i bought does. And as advertised it is much better with velocity than the old APP. But it clumps up very easily.

You can see the clumping beginning in this bottle and the lid has been closed. It breaks up very easily though..



Here is one with a dehumidifier pack showing...



This what the powder looks like...



Remember this is the new APP Super Powder - not Black MZ

Sabot does APP really make the new MZ?

Weight was nearly the same as APP and real BlackMag weighed a little more than real BP by volume. Its highly probable its relabeled APP and not remotely close to the last version of BlackMag.

I honestly do not know that...

You will know when you open the bottle - if it smells like molasses

mike

I read the article also and it says it's being produced at the APP factory.

Thanks Kirby that confirms what many of us suspected. Its too bad they didn't buy the original patent rights to REAL BlackMag since MDM cant make it anymore even if they had a new plant. They had to surrender their license as part of the legal settlement related to the terrible accident.

I had high hopes of trying a version based on the last real BlackMag.

I just picked up a bottle today at Cabela's. I will be giving it a try in my sidelocks soon. Reports say it will also work in flinters. But I have my doubts on that. I will stick with good old BP in them.

wakeman says a no no in the flash pan.

Oh, I definately wouldn't use it in the flash pan. And I'm even skeptical about using it as the main charge.

i can't find where Wakeman tested Alliant MZ.

http://randywakeman.com/2011%962012-...ropellants.htm

Quote:

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New for 2011, Alliant introduces its “Black MZ.” Made by American Pioneer for Alliant, it is vastly improved in consistency by Alliant's “test every lot” quality control. This product, like Pyrodex, is essentially a blackpowder performance equivalent. The stated benefits are better moisture resistance than Pyrodex, Triple Se7en, and so forth. It is also has better, easier ignition, so it can be used in all muzzleloaders with the exception of as a pan-powder in flintlocks, as far as I know. I believe that means percussion blackpowder handguns as well. Expect a full review of Alliant Black MZ in the near future.

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BTW: Both Wakeman and Toby Bridges liked Goex Pinnacle:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/goex_pinnacle.htm

http://www.gunweek.com/2006/feature0110.html

i believe that Alliant MZ is Goex Pinnacle. Goex Pinnacle is my powder. i have two cans of Alliant MZ coming and will give a comparison test.

pinnacle was made by american pioneer for goex. That however was before goex was bought out by Hodgdon.

i'm aware of that.

Personally, I don't care who made it. I saw it on the shelf and though I would give it a try. If it performs as well as Pyrodex RS or FFg BP then I may just have to make the switch simply from the cleanliness aspect. If it doesn't work out, then I'm only out $24. And I will use it for plinking.

Compress it Bronko

Thanks for the advice MD. I just might take it out tomorrow and give it a try. I have a .50 that I put a peep sight on and a new T/C Seneca .45 that I may try out with 230 gr hand cast Maxiballs.

If you want it to be consistent, weighing it is in order..good luck and have fun with it..look forward to a report on it.

I noticed right off the shelf that it appears to be denser than BP or Pyrodex and BH209. Or is it just my imagination? Smaller bottle and a full pound vs 10 oz of BH209.

yes american pioneer is very coarse powder.

110gr Black MZ
Crony Stat for BLack MZ.
1ST SHOT-1687
2ND SHOT-1929 TOTAL VELOCITY-5496 AVERAGE VELOCITY-1823
3RD SHOT- 1880

Jon,that's why i suggested weighing it lol!

Wow, thats adifference of 242 FPS in 3 shots.:action-smiley-099: