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Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3867935)

Really? I thought it was elk crap!

well they are as far as i am concerned lol.still a BP sub..

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Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3867928)

Level the playing field and CVA would be @%#*(@! my friend and that's a fact.just imagine if the two swapped places. CVA would be a fading memory..problem is the field is tilted and as i said earlier, that isn't CVA's fault.a old timer like yourself should know these things and if you pretend not to, your lying to yourself..:biggrin:

Level the field how? TC use Bergara barrles? Yes, that would help them a lot. :p

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Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3867936)

well they are as far as i am concerned lol.still a BP sub..

I know it's a sub knucklehead. We were talking about an air gap.

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Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3867937)

Level the field how? TC use Bergara barrles? Yes, that would help them a lot. :p

Old timer the field is tilted to one side and you know darn well what i mean.Bergara barrels are great barrels and as i said it took an american custom barrel maker on the BPI payroll to get there:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3867941)

Give BPI some credit for knowing how smart Americans are. :D

Yeah TC should have hired someone that knew how to make a barrel that could shoot conicals and sabots and get the QLA aligned center :D

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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3867897)

Factory plug on a CVA will work perfectly with BH209 when you correctly adjust your head space.

This doesn't seem to be 100% true. Myself, i have experienced delay when shooting with the factory plug with zero blow by. I have extensively tested my Accura in sub-zero weather, and it is obvious to me, that the original CVA breech plug design is faulty. Others are spending monies to have their plugs modified, because they are tired of ignition problems. It doesn't seem to me people would needlessly spend money. CVA should know better than most, whether their plug works; they themselves are providing a plug that works more better igniting BH.

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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3867897)

Western Powders designed the plug for CVA if you are forgetting LOL.

Months ago MAX Muzzleloader did an article on the plug designed by Western Powders, and provided pictures of their prototype. The Apex plug i have, isn't the same as the plug Russel wrote about. The dimensions are different, and as i previously wrote are nearly a perfect copy of the Omega breech plug.

The Black Horn plugs now being sold by CVA, don't seem to be the same as the design provided by Western Powders.

In my original post in this thread, i provided factory photos of the breech plugs from TC, and CVA. Simply put, the photos show that the TC plug is not a 'big time' copy of the CVA plug, which was erroneously written.

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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3867897)

The speed breech 3 that tc came out with recently is a big time copy of cva and traditions plug.

Ron..........I don't think the design would be different to work with BH, but the Apex BP only works on the Apex. I would think the design for the Accura/Optima/Wolf would be the same, but i'm just saying.

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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3867944)

Yeah TC should have hired someone that knew how to make a barrel that could shoot conicals and sabots and get the QLA aligned center :D

Old ground Jon and your well aware they don't care about conical shooting.the centered QLA thing hasn't been a issue for years.

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Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3868048)

Old ground Jon and your well aware they don't care about conical shooting.the centered QLA thing hasn't been a issue for years.

It hasn't been an issue for TC, because they don't care if you live in a state that can't use sabots.

They might have a better rep if they cared for all hunters. When I had my Omega. I had three problems they had no answer for, and no desire to find an answer. Bad attitude for a guns that are overpriced.