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MountainDevil54 10-30-2011 10:52 AM

theres a lot of folks who have to keep sending their barrel back to hopefully get one that shoots conicals well. I know muleys Omega wouldnt shoot the powerbelts at all. FPB's are a bear to load.

Muley Hunter 10-30-2011 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3868490)
OMG, your back on that old Omega out of round QLA subject. you been hangin with Jon to long lol. T/C's won't shoot Thors or FPB's?. a lot of folks will tell you different.

I'm going by my own experience. The Omega shot Thors pretty good. Not as good as the CVA's i've owned though. It sucked with every other conical I tried. I would chalk that up to just the gun I had, BUT..........when I asked TC about it. They said the gun was made for sabots. I said what about us who can't shoot them in our state? He stuttered for awhile, and I ended his pain by saying it's ok. Then sold the gun.

Jon doesn't influence what I say. I always speak from personal experience. If we end up saying the same thing. It's what we both experienced.

ronlaughlin 10-30-2011 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3868472)
............................then again vent liners, knight, savage or homemade for you seem to wear out after only 100 yards while im still running my original plugs.

This statement doesn't really make much sense, but i decipher it to be a slam at the posts i have made about flash hole erosion. What i wrote was more of a report on how many shots it took to erode flash holes to 0.035". Indeed, it did only take a little over 100 shots to achieve this amount of wear. However, i don't recall ever writing these plug/ventliner were 'worn out'.


Just so you know, i measure the diameter of flash hole using the set of pin gages pictured in the photo below.





It is possible for me to use my eyeball, and see the difference between a flash hole that measures 0.035", and one that measures 0.028". However, one cannot eyeball a flash hole, and 'know' it's size after thousands of shots. The laws of physics show, that a flash hole increases in size with each and every shot through it, and after enough shots will increase by 0.001", and then another, and so on etc.

Muley Hunter 10-30-2011 11:27 AM

It saves having to drill it out. :D

builder459 10-30-2011 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3868497)
I'm going by my own experience. The Omega shot Thors pretty good. Not as good as the CVA's i've owned though. It sucked with every other conical I tried. I would chalk that up to just the gun I had, BUT..........when I asked TC about it. They said the gun was made for sabots. I said what about us who can't shoot them in our state? He stuttered for awhile, and I ended his pain by saying it's ok. Then sold the gun.

Jon doesn't influence what I say. I always speak from personal experience. If we end up saying the same thing. It's what we both experienced.

cough:hit: cough,cough:hit: ok whatever you say old timer:s13:

ronlaughlin 10-30-2011 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3867897)
Factory plug on a CVA will work perfectly with BH209 when you correctly adjust your head space....................................

Here are 2 new old hex head plug i just modified this morning to reliably ignite BH209. They will be mailed to 2 happy shooters this week










They have been modified to a design extensively tested to ignite BH in all kinda weather and/or conditions. Note the flame channel is enlarged to 5/32". The powder end is drilled and tapped to receive a vent liner. When the powder end was being worked for the vent liner, a small powder chamber was also created. These vent liner have 0.028" flash hole, thus will be good for a couple hundred shots or so, before their flash hole grows to 0.035".

MountainDevil54 10-30-2011 12:48 PM

20 cans of BH209 through my new optima and no modded plug. Just head spacing.

Muley Hunter 10-30-2011 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3868522)
cough:hit: cough,cough:hit: ok whatever you say old timer:s13:

What part made you cough? I'm not happy being called a liar.

Back up your cough.

ronlaughlin 10-30-2011 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3868530)
20 cans of BH209 through my new optima and no modded plug. Just head spacing.

What?!? No oohs or aahs for my nice photos of my nice work?!? Didn't you notice the photos were of hex head plugs; why you write back about QRBP plug?

falcon 10-31-2011 09:33 AM

Ron, you make really nice breechplugs.


FPB's are a bear to load.
Not with my Encore. Sit the FPB bullet in the QLA and give the short starter a sharp whack with the heel of your hand: It's in the bore.


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