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Grouse45 10-19-2011 04:02 PM

Field tip compared to Broad heads.
 
I was told last year when i started archery hunting my field tips would not shoot the same as my broad heads. Both tips shoot in the same spot all day long. Anyone else get the same results? Just curious why nobody around home does. I am shooting 100grn bullets :p if that matters.

EndeavorShooter 10-19-2011 04:09 PM

blackpowder= archery, is this posted in the right area? Oh I got it, you are trying to up your non shill, threads

but, alot of people have issues with broadheads flying off path of a field point. it can usually be traced back to a poorly tuned bow. If everything is set up correctly they should hit with the same POI. It is far worse and exaggerated with a fixed head over a mechanical. It is my opinion that you should tune better and use a proven fixed blade, like Muzzy. I tried Rages, when they first hit the market and was all the rage but, when i could not get a solid pass thru at 30yds on a rib cage. I went back to my Muzzy's.

Grouse45 10-19-2011 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by EndeavorShooter (Post 3863610)
blackpowder= archery, is this posted in the right area? Oh I got it, you are trying to up your non shill, threads

but, alot of people have issues with broadheads flying off path of a field point. it can usually be traced back to a poorly tuned bow. If everything is set up correctly they should hit with the same POI. It is far worse and exaggerated with a fixed head over a mechanical. It is my opinion that you should tune better and use a proven fixed blade, like Muzzy. I tried Rages, when they first hit the market and was all the rage but, when i could not get a solid pass thru at 30yds on a rib cage. I went back to my Muzzy's.

I started a SHILL thread just for you.:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

mountaineer magic 10-19-2011 04:16 PM

I shoot 100 gr muzzys and get same poi as my field points. I use the MX3's
Complete pass throughs and usually dead deer in 40 to 60 yards

mountaineer magic 10-19-2011 04:18 PM

I shoot 100 gr muzzys and get same poi as my field points. I use the MX3's
Complete pass throughs and usually dead deer in 40 to 60 yards

Grouse45 10-19-2011 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by mountaineer magic (Post 3863619)
I shoot 100 gr muzzys and get same poi as my field points. I use the MX3's
Complete pass throughs and usually dead deer in 40 to 60 yards

Thanks, i have shot three Deer with the Rage and arrows exited all three times. Actually have a hard time finding them sometimes.

EndeavorShooter 10-19-2011 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by mountaineer magic (Post 3863619)
I shoot 100 gr muzzys and get same poi as my field points. I use the MX3's
Complete pass throughs and usually dead deer in 40 to 60 yards


Chet, i use MX4's with the same results, with the tenpoint and 110lbs. of kenetic energy, it blows thru em like hot butter.

mountaineer magic 10-19-2011 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by EndeavorShooter (Post 3863632)
Chet, i use MX4's with the same results, with the tenpoint and 110lbs. of kenetic energy, it blows thru em like hot butter.

I can't hunt here with a crossbow, the state doesn't allow them. I use a compound . I usually don't shoot past 35 yards so pass throughs are the norm at that distance. I love the muzzys

nchawkeye 10-19-2011 04:33 PM

It just depends upon your setup and how close you had the bow tuned before going to broadheads...I have tuned my bow where it shoots both the same...

EndeavorShooter 10-19-2011 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by mountaineer magic (Post 3863639)
I can't hunt here with a crossbow, the state doesn't allow them. I use a compound . I usually don't shoot past 35 yards so pass throughs are the norm at that distance. I love the muzzys

We do not either (not in the early season, late season is okay), till next year. but, we have them for dissabled hunters, i have a bad shoulder and neck (cervical stenosis) that keeps my thumb and fore finger numb and sharp pains down my shoulder balde thru the back of my arm, to my elbow. So, i qualified and have been allowed to use it for the last two years. I still miss my vertical bow!!!!:sad0064:

chaded 10-19-2011 04:37 PM

A properly tuned bow should shoot field points right with broadheads if not pretty close. I shoot mechanical broadheads with no problems but it will put fixed blades right with them too. No issues taking down deer with either kind.

jaybez101099 10-19-2011 04:38 PM

Tom,
check out this link
http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/2010/10...adhead_flight/

Grouse45 10-19-2011 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by nchawkeye (Post 3863649)
It just depends upon your setup and how close you had the bow tuned before going to broadheads...I have tuned my bow where it shoots both the same...

I have a Bowtech Bow. Probably the middle range in price. I think next year i might get the Mathews Extreme. It seems easier to use in a blind to me.

As far as tuning????? I guess the place i bought it did that. Yes, i'm very inexperienced with them.

Grouse45 10-19-2011 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by jaybez101099 (Post 3863655)

WOW....Thanks a lot, i need all the help i can get.

TNHagies 10-19-2011 06:41 PM

As others have stated, a properly tuned bow will shoot them both to the same POI. Most common reason for the difference is a high or low knock point. Especially with fixed blades as the air hits the blades and pushes them down or creates an airplane effect.

frontstuffer01 10-19-2011 06:54 PM

Never shot the mechanical always shot the fixed blade when i use to bowhunt, an i did have alittle issue when i shot the fixed blade.they didn't shoot quite as well as the field points so i always had to tune my arrows, i think what was happening was the broad head was driving the arrow to much and i had to heat the insert on the alum arrow an align 1 blade up perfectly with the odd vane an after that i was cutting vanes an messing up my arrowshafts.but that was shooting a compound bow.

lemoyne 10-19-2011 06:58 PM

A properly tuned bow will shoot some broad heads to the same POI as a field tip. I have found the are some broad heads that nothing or no amount of tuning will get to fly right much less to the same POI.

Semisane 10-19-2011 07:21 PM

Guys, please pardon me for being a fuddy-duddy. :rant:

Lord knows I go off topic now and then myself. In fact, one thing I like about this forum is we can get free wheeling now and then and talk about the fish we caught or how good our tomato crop was. But none of that stuff is addressed in HNI's forum format. However, HNI does have an entire Archery Forums section and that's where this topic belongs.

OK, OK. Go ahead and take your shots. I'll survive. :popcorn:

onetohunt 10-19-2011 08:07 PM

I have to agree it all starts with a properly tuned bow. I shoot Slick Tricks and have for a few years now. They just spin test better for me than any other fixed blade. They are a 4 blade that flies just like a fp. The big move with fixed blades was the shorter ferrel, this shorter ferrel really helps stabilize the shaft during flight. The older fixed blades from years back were all longer and this caused more erratic flight.

HEAD0001 10-19-2011 09:50 PM

IMO alot of the information comes form the older broadheads. Alot of the older broadheads had a tendency to "plane". That was why alot of guys always had to sight their bows in with a different POI with field points over broadheads.

The younger guys probaly don't remember this because most modern broadhead's "fly" considerably better than the older, and basically larger(and heavier) broadheads.

I remember the 3 bladed Wasp was the first broadhead I shot that hit the same spot as my field tip.

I am not saying the guys are wrong about the bow being properly tuned. Because they are 100% correct about that as well. I am only saying that broadhead's have been improved drastically over the last 30 or so years.

Some of the new broadheads are truly incredible(priced as well). Tom.

sabotloader 10-20-2011 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3863754)
Guys, please pardon me for being a fuddy-duddy. :rant:

Lord knows I go off topic now and then myself. In fact, one thing I like about this forum is we can get free wheeling now and then and talk about the fish we caught or how good our tomato crop was. But none of that stuff is addressed in HNI's forum format. However, HNI does have an entire Archery Forums section and that's where this topic belongs.

OK, OK. Go ahead and take your shots. I'll survive. :popcorn:

Agree with you a bunch Semi but in my case I probably would bring a question here also because you learn to know and trust some voices on a forum that you spend a lot of time on. And then the big thing is that there is a huge range of experiance in the group of people that you know and trust here.

And that is not to say that maybe it really should have gone in the correct forum, but I hope you can relate to my point.

rafsob 10-20-2011 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by EndeavorShooter (Post 3863610)
If everything is set up correctly they should hit with the same POI. It is far worse and exaggerated with a fixed head over a mechanical. It is my opinion that you should tune better and use a proven fixed blade, like Muzzy. I tried Rages, when they first hit the market and was all the rage but, when i could not get a solid pass thru at 30yds on a rib cage. I went back to my Muzzy's.

I agree on the Muzzy broadheads. First off, I don't like mechanicals. They have the ability of malfunctions and I saw what a mess it made on a deer last week. But you can't argue with the muzzy results:


Grouse45 10-20-2011 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3863754)
Guys, please pardon me for being a fuddy-duddy. :rant:

Lord knows I go off topic now and then myself. In fact, one thing I like about this forum is we can get free wheeling now and then and talk about the fish we caught or how good our tomato crop was. But none of that stuff is addressed in HNI's forum format. However, HNI does have an entire Archery Forums section and that's where this topic belongs.

OK, OK. Go ahead and take your shots. I'll survive. :popcorn:

Haven't you seen enough threads arguing about stuff? A lot of good information has been posted and you do this.:sad0064: I put this post here because most of the people i understand pretty well. Send a PM to the Moderator and have it deleted. I can hardly keep track of this forum let alone another. You are correct though, it doesn't belong here. ;)

Grouse45 10-20-2011 02:43 PM

Thanks for all the info guys. I do need to get my Bow tuned.:cool2:

rafsob 10-20-2011 02:54 PM

"Guys, please pardon me for being a fuddy-duddy."

FUDDY-DUDDY!!! ;)

Semisane 10-20-2011 04:17 PM

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! I'm hurt. :D

I understand what you're saying Grouch, uh Grouse. :wink: I would rather discuss stuff with the guys here myself. It's the closest thing there is in the electronic world to sitting around a fire with your buddies.

But most of us have bows, and I would guess all of us have several cartridge guns, and several probably reload for them as I do. If everyone begins starting threads on bows, cartridge rifles, reloading formulas, etc., this would no longer be a black powder forum. Anyway, I would never PM a Moderator about something so trivial when I can put my honest opinion here for all to see. But I forgive you `cause you're such a sweetheart.

Sincerely yours,

FUDDY

Grouse45 10-20-2011 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3864155)
Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! I'm hurt. :D

I understand what you're saying Grouch, uh Grouse. :wink: I would rather discuss stuff with the guys here myself. It's the closest thing there is in the electronic world to sitting around a fire with your buddies.

But most of us have bows, and I would guess all of us have several cartridge guns, and several probably reload for them as I do. If everyone begins starting threads on bows, cartridge rifles, reloading formulas, etc., this would no longer be a black powder forum. Anyway, I would never PM a Moderator about something so trivial when I can put my honest opinion here for all to see. But I forgive you `cause you're such a sweetheart.

Sincerely yours,

FUDDY

Wont be the last mistake i make, i promise that.;)

rafsob 10-21-2011 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3864155)
Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! I'm hurt. :D

I understand what you're saying Grouch, uh Grouse. :wink: I would rather discuss stuff with the guys here myself. It's the closest thing there is in the electronic world to sitting around a fire with your buddies.

But most of us have bows, and I would guess all of us have several cartridge guns, and several probably reload for them as I do. If everyone begins starting threads on bows, cartridge rifles, reloading formulas, etc., this would no longer be a black powder forum. Anyway, I would never PM a Moderator about something so trivial when I can put my honest opinion here for all to see. But I forgive you `cause you're such a sweetheart.

Sincerely yours,

FUDDY


Okay!!! You ain't so half nuts after all Semi. :barmy::barmy:

Hey Grouse, I think we been a bad boy!!!

Grouse45 10-21-2011 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by rafsob (Post 3864366)
Okay!!! You ain't so half nuts after all Semi. :barmy::barmy:

Hey Grouse, I think we been a bad boy!!!

As always, lol

mountaineer magic 10-21-2011 04:54 AM

The only thing worse would be a video of an owl being shot with a bow posted on the blackpowder forum:D

EndeavorShooter 10-21-2011 06:21 AM

Ouch, that had to sting a little. I could really care less, either way. We all have posted bs stuff non related to black powder and who cares. But I think the point being or trying to be made is, if you have a question about a bow, it needs to go in the archery forum.
It was brought up that you get to trust guys you talk with the most which for a lot of us is in the bp forum. Most of us archery hunt as well as hunt with a mler. So, why not pm someone, you think can answer your question.


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