Oh no......smokeless !!
10-06-2011, 06:30 AM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,473
Thanks. What makes them able to shoot smokeless? Is it the receiver and BP, or a combination of everything, including the barrel? What are we looking at, price-wise? How heavy is it? One thing I like about my Omega is how light it is.
I'm very interested in this. I can see the appeal of using black powder/subs in a more traditional gun. If I ever own a more traditional gun, I will use real BP exclusively with it. But when shooting a modern inline, I see no reason to use BP or subs, which are inferior to smokeless powder.
Honestly, except for making the gun conform to a wider variety of state hunting laws, I don’t see why manufacturers don’t make more modern inlines capable of using smokeless. There is absolutely no advantage to using BP or subs over smokeless. If you are looking for limitations on your weapon, go more traditional. I generally want any hunting gun I have to be as diverse as possible. I don’t need a gun to set limitations on what I shoot or don’t shoot. If I decide I only want to kill within 30 yards, I can make that decision and hold myself accountable to it. If I see something I want to take 200 yards away (elk, if I ever draw a KY tag!), I want to have the ability to make that choice. Most likely, I will use my ML throughout regular gun season just because they are generally lighter than firearms with other action types.
I'm very interested in this. I can see the appeal of using black powder/subs in a more traditional gun. If I ever own a more traditional gun, I will use real BP exclusively with it. But when shooting a modern inline, I see no reason to use BP or subs, which are inferior to smokeless powder.
Honestly, except for making the gun conform to a wider variety of state hunting laws, I don’t see why manufacturers don’t make more modern inlines capable of using smokeless. There is absolutely no advantage to using BP or subs over smokeless. If you are looking for limitations on your weapon, go more traditional. I generally want any hunting gun I have to be as diverse as possible. I don’t need a gun to set limitations on what I shoot or don’t shoot. If I decide I only want to kill within 30 yards, I can make that decision and hold myself accountable to it. If I see something I want to take 200 yards away (elk, if I ever draw a KY tag!), I want to have the ability to make that choice. Most likely, I will use my ML throughout regular gun season just because they are generally lighter than firearms with other action types.
10-06-2011, 07:04 AM
#18
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
Thanks. What makes them able to shoot smokeless? Is it the receiver and BP, or a combination of everything, including the barrel? What are we looking at, price-wise? How heavy is it? One thing I like about my Omega is how light it is.
I'm very interested in this. I can see the appeal of using black powder/subs in a more traditional gun. If I ever own a more traditional gun, I will use real BP exclusively with it. But when shooting a modern inline, I see no reason to use BP or subs, which are inferior to smokeless powder.
Honestly, except for making the gun conform to a wider variety of state hunting laws, I don’t see why manufacturers don’t make more modern inlines capable of using smokeless. There is absolutely no advantage to using BP or subs over smokeless. If you are looking for limitations on your weapon, go more traditional. I generally want any hunting gun I have to be as diverse as possible. I don’t need a gun to set limitations on what I shoot or don’t shoot. If I decide I only want to kill within 30 yards, I can make that decision and hold myself accountable to it. If I see something I want to take 200 yards away (elk, if I ever draw a KY tag!), I want to have the ability to make that choice. Most likely, I will use my ML throughout regular gun season just because they are generally lighter than firearms with other action types.
I'm very interested in this. I can see the appeal of using black powder/subs in a more traditional gun. If I ever own a more traditional gun, I will use real BP exclusively with it. But when shooting a modern inline, I see no reason to use BP or subs, which are inferior to smokeless powder.
Honestly, except for making the gun conform to a wider variety of state hunting laws, I don’t see why manufacturers don’t make more modern inlines capable of using smokeless. There is absolutely no advantage to using BP or subs over smokeless. If you are looking for limitations on your weapon, go more traditional. I generally want any hunting gun I have to be as diverse as possible. I don’t need a gun to set limitations on what I shoot or don’t shoot. If I decide I only want to kill within 30 yards, I can make that decision and hold myself accountable to it. If I see something I want to take 200 yards away (elk, if I ever draw a KY tag!), I want to have the ability to make that choice. Most likely, I will use my ML throughout regular gun season just because they are generally lighter than firearms with other action types.
My 9.5 lb GPR with 2F BP is pleasant to shoot. Even with a steel buttplate.
Get the Savage. I bet you'll like it. It even has the Accutrigger like the CF guns. Probably the best trigger on the market for a production gun.
10-06-2011, 11:42 AM
#20
Typical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: MD/PA Line
Posts: 598
7.62NATO,
Savages come in .50 caliber only unless you buy a used one that was rebarreled to .45.
A combination of things make it smokeless capable, breechplug, new barrel, recoil lug, hunter bolt conversion and strong action. Not a cheap build, well it actually is cheap if you look into some other custom smokeless guns, but worth every penny. No swabbing, heck do not even clean the bore if you don't feel like it. I have just been decarboning my breechplug after every range session.
Grouse,
As far as powder goes, I switched to R7 just to play with and found my accuracy load. Heard its a little better in colder weather also. Never had any issues with H4198. Actually have had no ignition issues at all. Gun goes bang when the trigger is pulled. N120 is on my list to get but not commonly found in my area. Reports of N120 being used is looking great, but it's also $10 more.
7.62NATO,
I forgot to mention PRB's are not recommended in these guns.
Savages come in .50 caliber only unless you buy a used one that was rebarreled to .45.
A combination of things make it smokeless capable, breechplug, new barrel, recoil lug, hunter bolt conversion and strong action. Not a cheap build, well it actually is cheap if you look into some other custom smokeless guns, but worth every penny. No swabbing, heck do not even clean the bore if you don't feel like it. I have just been decarboning my breechplug after every range session.
Grouse,
As far as powder goes, I switched to R7 just to play with and found my accuracy load. Heard its a little better in colder weather also. Never had any issues with H4198. Actually have had no ignition issues at all. Gun goes bang when the trigger is pulled. N120 is on my list to get but not commonly found in my area. Reports of N120 being used is looking great, but it's also $10 more.
7.62NATO,
I forgot to mention PRB's are not recommended in these guns.