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corey012778 10-06-2011 04:36 PM

ron,

are you using the 454 improved or the .450?

i am working with the 454 (fits my bore as is)

idahoron 10-06-2011 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by corey012778 (Post 3857601)
going to order the 50. some time. I was worried about the lee .501 sizer being too small after the few test I think i should be fine if I order it.

the tape I am using measure .002". I am thinking it has been around the store for an long time. since we don't have anything it works in or even had anything in the store for it to work in for close to 4yrs. if you want i can send you an roll, tell me what you think.

worst case, I got and get some tracing paper and start over. should be easier since i know more about what i am doing

Heck no! That .501 sizer is going to be JUST what you want. it will be perfect I am sure of that. I don't know about the tape but the paper will swell back out just a bit after sizing. They will be snug.
Don't overlook that lee C-501-440-RF bullet. It is an amazing bullet. Don't send a roll of the tape, I might have you send maybe a foot or so so I can cut a few patches and roll and size some 50's to give you an idea what they are going to do. Ron

idahoron 10-06-2011 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by corey012778 (Post 3857622)
ron,

are you using the 454 improved or the .450?

i am working with the 454 (fits my bore as is)

Ya my bullets are the .454 improved it is the 454-298-M.
I bump the hardness just a pinch to improve accuracy. I am at 6 to 7 BHN for these. Ron

corey012778 10-06-2011 04:52 PM

I don't have an hardness test so I can give you that of mine.

can tell you. it is well, very well sorted range. all cast with my wheel weight cash jacketed smelted on there own.

I was working on home made hardness tester. had that lead at 6 to 8bhn. (steel sling shot ammo as the ball pressed in an vise for 20secs, have to find my notes on it for the weight)

idahoron 10-06-2011 04:55 PM

I have heard of guys doing that. IF they have a actual hardness to go by when measuring the dent. If you need some lead tested lest me know. I can do it for you. Ron

corey012778 10-06-2011 08:30 PM

what type of tester you have. been looking in to the lee tester, since I am on an tight budget. I know it needs the bullets. I know some need ingots but i think a lot of companies have gone another way.

I prefer to send bullets.

i think the paper may be old thermal now. that could explain the dark marks. but did not pass any the test for thermal. it is not over all slick, I could not leave an finger nail mark, or it did not turn black when I applied heat (an lighter an foot or two away, my hand got pretty warm lol).

I cleaned my sizer four ways and cleaned the .451 extremely well, still has marks, in the .454 brown marks, at the lube grooves and from from the .451 black, all the way down.

I will pick up some tracer paper when I am done at the range. only real way to find out is use another type paper

corey012778 10-06-2011 09:59 PM

little more adventures in paper patching.

my training bullets using masking tape help me find the tension i was needing to do it right




this is an lee 452-255-rf (.452 255gr bullet) drops at 260gr plus for me



I think the paper I am using is some type of imprint paper. that is why I am getting dark lines. the ones with masking type where done why before these,

idahoron 10-07-2011 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by corey012778 (Post 3857760)
what type of tester you have. been looking in to the lee tester, since I am on an tight budget. I know it needs the bullets. I know some need ingots but i think a lot of companies have gone another way.

I prefer to send bullets.

i think the paper may be old thermal now. that could explain the dark marks. but did not pass any the test for thermal. it is not over all slick, I could not leave an finger nail mark, or it did not turn black when I applied heat (an lighter an foot or two away, my hand got pretty warm lol).

I cleaned my sizer four ways and cleaned the .451 extremely well, still has marks, in the .454 brown marks, at the lube grooves and from from the .451 black, all the way down.

I will pick up some tracer paper when I am done at the range. only real way to find out is use another type paper

I have a Cabine Tree tester. I can test ingots or bullets it doesn't matter. Most guys that have me test their lead send a couple of flat nose bullets.
You wont be able to totally get rid of the black rings. because of the type of bullet your using. I have them too. I have sizers that never touch lead and they still have them a little.
It looks like you have lube on the paper in that one picture. The lube will cause the paper to tare. You can lube right before you shoot that will work great.
I have a couple of moulds that I have had some luck with but it has been kind of spotty luck. I have a lee 452-255-RF like yours. Mine also throws at 260 so I am thinking your lead must be pretty soft to throw that weight. That bullet has just not done it in my gun. I need to play with it more. I also have a C-452-300-RF they come out at 316 grains. I was really hoping that this bullet was going to work out like the 50 cal RF. It has done well a few times but over all it has not been consistent. I bumped the hardness up a pinch and need to try it again. This is a picture of the three bullets I am using with this 45 with a 1-28 twist.




Keep plugging along you will get it. I know I do my bullets different than most BPCR guys do. It just takes some testing to figure out how you like them. Remember if you have a question feel free to ask. Ron

corey012778 10-07-2011 01:55 PM

I will ron

the ones with lube have masking tape on them, I was hoping the lube will dissolve some of the adhesive on the tape. think of just throwing those in to the pot with my next range lead smelt.

I would like to send ya some bullets to test and an sample of that paper I am using. seemed to work fine. came apart in sections. read on cast boolits it should be confetti, but I think that was in the smoke less section

idahoron 10-07-2011 05:08 PM

The paper should come out as confetti. Sounds good. If you can wait for this winter to send the samples when stuff slows down that would be great. I have a couple of hunts I will be guiding on so I am doing a lot of scouting for a while. Ron


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