scope ideas for my knight original disc
 

first, I can't afford much. I may be able to save up $100 for an scope. that is pushing it. the boss is already going to kill me two guns in the last month lol.

first thoughts where just switch the scope off my knight usak, 5yr old tasco pronghorn that has seen action on two guns already.

second, buying an new pronghorn.

third, an tc scope package.

4th, an cva bashnall (I know i did not spell hat right) package

5th, save up for the one I spell very wrong lol,

kinda up in the air right now on what I am going to do.

Corey you ought to look at the Vortex line, great scopes and clear as a bell!

Since you have little money.. look at a Simmons Pro Diamond 4x32mm. They are inexpensive and have good glass. It will do you fine on that rifle.

Cayugad's advice is good. They're good scopes (I have five) and are $40 at Natchez Shooters Supply. Best price anywhere.

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm...TOKEN=96193599

Corey PM me... I have an inexpensive 1.5/4.5 x 32 you can have if you want it and think it might work for you.

since talking about the simmons scopes
what about this one.
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm...eticle%20Matte

on top of an rebate.

If you decide to go with that one, be sure to file for a $10 rebate. But, except for a little more magnification, I see no real advantage of a 1.5-5X over a straight 4X.

http://www.simmonsoptics.com/downloa...own_Rebate.pdf

What Cayugad and Semisane said. This is a real good scope for the money: My 20 gauge rifled barrel shotgun has one.

From you guys that have ordered the Simmons Pro Daimonds from Natchez, would anyone mind checking on the bottom of it to see where it says it's made? Thanks.


That being said, I've read nothing but good about them.


Personally, I'd try to find a used Burris Fullfield II. I've found a few for $100 after lots of searching and if you don't need a scope right away this is the way I'd go. IMO it's one of the best scopes out there for under $200.

Vortex also makes some good scopes, but I'd stay away from their Crossfire line. Make sure you go with the Diamondback or Viper, but I don't know that you will find one for $100. The Vortex Viper 2-7 on sale for $150 at SWFA is a great deal though.


On the cheaper side of things,
I've had good luck with the cheaper Simmons 8 Point scopes. Another one I've used is the Tasco Bucksight or whatever they call it at Walmart that looks almost identical to the Proghorns and I had good luck with it, but a few friends bought them and have had mixed results. I have 3 friends that bought them and had great luck. One of them actually has one I sold them that I used for 2 months while my Leupold was being repaired. The others bought their own. Then I have 3 friends that claim they have issues with them, however, they haven't done much testing and have been quick enough to rule the scopes as bad that I have serious doubts.

The first one bought a brand new Omega and put one on it. They never could get it sighted in as it shot all over the place. He insisted the scope was bad and that he didn't have time to mess with a Tasco, so he took it off and put on a equally cheap Bushnell. I never saw him shoot with the Tasco, but I did see him shoot with the Bushnell and he had a horrible time getting it sighted in still. This thing still shot all over the place. Finally he got it shooting decent enough that he could hunt with it. Seeing this though makes me wonder if the Tasco really was bad, or if he just tossed it before really testing it.

His brother also bought one of the Tascos and a new Omega and his shot great for the first year. The second year he shot a deer with it and missed. Then he shot at a few more and said he'd make a hit, then he'd miss, then make a hit, then miss. He said it could have been him, but he suspected the scope and once he replaced it he hasn't missed since. That being said, this guy is one of the best shots in the group of guys we hunt with, but he never shot it at paper to confirm it wasn't holding zero and instead just put something else on there, so this puts a doubt in my mind if it really was him or not.

The other friend borrowed a muzzle loader that had one on it. He is good friends with the other two, and I think he'd formed his opinion of it being junk based on what they told him, however being broke he had no other options. He is also an extremely good shot, and I've seen him shoot many groups free hand that you'd swear came off of a fancy rest. Many of the guys in this area get him to zero rifles for them, but he is also one of the guys that will shoot 1-2 shots and call it good, and also doesn't seem to know much about his equipment or how to properly use it. For example when sighting in a semi auto he had, he never let the barrel cool insisting it should be okay. I know it was shooting way off by the time he was done just from the heat.

Anyway, he sighted this one in and said it was good. Then we noticed 2 days later the rings had worked loose and you could move them around by hand. He tightened them down and went back to sight it in, which he did just fine. He then said he discovered over the next week that the scope wasn't holding zero. I just wonder if the rings were that loose if something else wasn't loose that he didn't tighten. It may have been the scope being bad, but I just have my doubts on this one too.

So overall, all of the people I know that have had bad experiences with these things it's been questionable if the scope was actually bad.

On the other hand, I've had one on my muzzle loader for several years now and it seems to be working great and has decent glass. The only thing that's ever made me doubt mine was I sighted it in last year before hunting season as I'd removed it prior to that to recenter the crosshairs. I made two shots about 2" right, then I made 2 shots dead center in the bullseye. Not sure which one of them was me pulling I figured it was fine and put it up. Then I later made a couple of shots off of the tail gate of my truck and found I was roughly centered around the bullseye, but it was hard to get it perfectly still. I didn't have any 2" right, but I got about a 2" group centered on the bullseye. I only shot 3 shots.

So I hunted with it and did fine. At the end of the season I took the muzzle loader out of the stock, and gave it a great cleaning all over, and then I put it away. When I took it out a few months later it was shooting about 2" right consistently. I don't know if the scope shifted zero, if it was originally hitting 2" right and the 5 shots in the bullseye were me pulling instead of the 2 shots that went right, or if taking the gun out of the stock and putting it back in changed the POI as I know that can happen. I shot it quite a few times after rezeroing it, and it shot a great group as usual right in the bullseye. I even banged on it some to see if it shifted and it didn't so I feel like it probably wasn't the scopes fault. I've put it up and I'm going to check it again before hunting season just to make sure it's not shifting over time. However, it's been a surprisingly good scope for the $30 I payed for it 4 years ago.

I'd certainly put another one on my gun long before I went into the woods with open sights. Would I take it on a African Safari, or some other expensive hunting trip? Hell no, but for shooting at the range and hunting in the state I like it. The only thing I I don't like is the fact I'm always worried about it from how much smack the guys online talk about Tasco. However, so far it's never given me a reason to doubt it.

I do like other higher end scopes a lot better and the majority of my guns wear something much higher priced, but this scope does seem to do it's job, and glass wise while the others are better it's not a huge difference and the Tasco would work fine.

It says "Designed and Engineered in the USA" in large print, and "Manufactured in China" in small print (just like the keyboard you're using right now). :s2:

7. It never was, 10-4

Sounds good, sounds just like the 3-9x40 Blazer scope I had actually as that's what it said. Unlike some guys I've not had many problems with scopes made in China, I just wondered if this is where it was made, or if it was made in the Philippines as some of their scopes are.

I also wonder if there is a big quality difference between this and the fixed power 8 Point scopes, or if the parallax setting is the only difference since this is a shotgun scope. Anyone know?

Also, anyone use these in variable powers, if so how have they held up?

this is how I see things.
Made in from somewhere else ---> man in costumes must handle them ---> some one in the USA distribution system must handle them ---> someone in USA wholesale warehouse must handle them ---> someone in an USA retailer must handle them---> the shipper that sends someone to pick up the order must handle them---> an handler(s) (can be up to 10+ people) at the shipper must handle them ---> loader for the truck that will bring them to you must handler ---> then the driver of the friendly truck must bring them to you.

things may move around if you buy from an local gun shop. but that system is there.

I figure about 100+ workers still have Americans employed in the mix.

now this said, I may have started an made in USA VS foreign made debate.
this is my view, please respect that.

Corey I guess I am going to go completely against the grain of all the other guys. Personally I think the optics on a hunting rifle are more important than the actual rifle itself. I would put a $1,000 scope on a $200 rifle. But I would never put a $200 scope on a $1,000 rifle.

In other words save up, sell a few rifles, and buy some high grade optics. You will be better off in the long run. One good rifle with one great scope IMO is far better than 10 rifles and 10 cheap scopes. You get what you pay for. Tom.

tom,
I really can't do any of options. the boss would have my hide if I do that, if fact we are trimming the budget a little more. for selling an gun or two, I have what I want. besides, the guns I own won't go for much. I know my 54cal hawken won't get what I put into it. sorry $1k scopes are out of the question.

I beleave there are some low to mid range scopes that are just as good.

I respect your point of view.

Corey I may have made a mistake in my post. I was not recommending a $1,000 scope. But I did make it sound that way. So please accept my apology.

My point was to try and pick up a better quality scope. For example I have seen some nice fixed 4X Leupold's for $175 to $200. And that would make a fantastic scope, at a great price. And good top quality. That is what I was trying to say, but it came out wrong, again, sorry.

You are young. And a fixed 4X or 6X scope will last you your life time. I know I have some nice 4X and 6X scopes I bought in the 70's. And they are running strong. So my point is think a little long term with what you buy. A good 4X Leupold will never go bad in your lifetime.

I have seen some great buys on great used scopes lately. And the best part about a used Leupold is that you can buy with 100% complete confidence. If you have any problems Leupold will simply fix it. And I don't thik anyone else has that simple of a warranty?? Tom.

A top quality scope is a wonder to behold. Clear and sharp right out to the edges. On the other hand, is it really any better for putting a bullet where you want it at normal muzzle loading hunting ranges? I don't think I could shoot a better 100 yard group with a $1,000 Leica, Zeiss or Leupold than I can with my $40 ProDiamond.

funny thing, was going to go little higher. on the budget. finding nikons for around $150. another case down from it, bushell silver, thinking about switching the scope on my silver eagle to my disc if I get that one

IMO the answer to that question is yes. I am not talking about a sunny afternoon at the range. I am talking about real world hunting conditions. And I personally know for sure that I have shot more deer and game in my life with better quality optics. Heck I have some rifles that I have not had to touch the adjustments for 20 years.

So yes I believe there is a big difference.

I remember one elk season in October in CO. It snowed 3-1/2' of snow at 10,000 ft. and above. You could not even light a match at camp things were so damp. Heck dry wood had trouble burning. Biggest mess I have ever seen with moisture. My scope came through with flying colors. A couple other guys were falling back on their open sights. Their scopes were worthless. So yes it makes a big difference. Just my opinion. Tom.

I have had good success with several Nikon ProStaff scopes. I like the 2-7x32mm "Shotgun Scope" on my in-lines. I bought a 3-9x32mm from Cabela's Bargain Cave for under $100 and it has worked fine for several years now.

I also have bought the $30 Tasco from Walmart and it has been a solid performer on a Huntsman that I have.

i have the same tasco on my usak. done very well for me.

back burnered due to an new battery for truck. normally this happens when I have the money built up