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i like my black diamond xr...not too hard to clean, simple.....I bought my brother a black diamond to hunt with me this fall its not the xr we'll be in the woods I'll have my sidelocks in the woods
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3842292)
really grouse? The Bergara will shoot both sabots and conicals a lot better and plus the bores actually have a sizing limit unlike the factory bore thats all over the place.
I have shot $25.00 CVA barrels that shot 3/4 groups at 100yds. I have also shot $500.00 CVA'S that wouldn't shoot better then 2 inches. I actually owned some older Knight Extremes that was the same way. I never believed all barrels are the same. |
I can only vouch for my TC Omega because I don't own any other right now. But the gun will spank mountain oysters at 100 yards.
Thats all I need to know. D |
Originally Posted by Grouse45
(Post 3842504)
The grooves have been inconsistent in machining. You can get a really good one, then you can get a bad one. I'm not familiar enough with them to know whether it's a QC problem or not??? It was a very big topic at the NRA show. I have not seen or witnessed any of this information. But i did listen to the supposed big shots on TV about it.
I have shot $25.00 CVA barrels that shot 3/4 groups at 100yds. I have also shot $500.00 CVA'S that wouldn't shoot better then 2 inches. I actually owned some older Knight Extremes that was the same way. I never believed all barrels are the same. http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=469 |
The rifleing must be cut right in this .270 Encore Bergara barrel. :happy0157: Shot this morning with factory Federal 130gr Barnes Triple Shocks at 100yds.
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Originally Posted by Omega45
(Post 3842835)
Did I ruin my Pro Hunter???
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=469 If it was good, you wouldn't ask. Send it back, you might get a better one. :lmao: |
What I am saying is I have 3 Encore Bergara barrels and they all shoot! I take what the so called Pro's say very lightly. I not only listen but I buy and test and reach my own conclusions.
From what little I have seen of the new Knight Mountaineer I am not impressed. Primers sticking, bolts not closing, sending wrong bolt/bp with gun. I have yet to see one 100yd group from anyone on here who "bought" one. |
Originally Posted by Omega45
(Post 3843214)
What I am saying is I have 3 Encore Bergara barrels and they all shoot! I take what the so called Pro's say very lightly. I not only listen but I buy and test and reach my own conclusions.
From what little I have seen of the new Knight Mountaineer I am not impressed. Primers sticking, bolts not closing, sending wrong bolt/bp with gun. I have yet to see one 100yd group from anyone on here who "bought" one. What does a Knight Mountaineer have to do with a Bergara barrel? If you don't like what you see or hear then don't buy one. Isn't that the obvious thing to do? FYI- Did you ever wonder why T/C made a fixed barrel Pro-hunter? :lmao: BTW- It's impossible to send a wrong bolt with a Mountaineer. And i know of none of the information you are saying. So it's obvious, you don't find out info on your own and you listen to others or make up stories for attention. |
Originally Posted by Omega45
(Post 3843214)
What I am saying is I have 3 Encore Bergara barrels and they all shoot! I take what the so called Pro's say very lightly. I not only listen but I buy and test and reach my own conclusions.
From what little I have seen of the new Knight Mountaineer I am not impressed. Primers sticking, bolts not closing, sending wrong bolt/bp with gun. If you would go back and read the later posts I think you would find that the individual told us that he was loading the primer wrong and then crushing it in the primer pocket. He did not know that were rails in the nose of the bolt the primer was suppose to go in. And of course that would also not allow the both to close. Once in awhile operator error needs to be considered. I do not remember anyone saying that got the wrong bolt/bp so you must have read that one someplace else, so I am unable to comment on that one. But it does seem like it would be awful tough to do since the bolts are different for the Extreme and the Mountaineer. The only thing I remember is Knight sending a new bolt and BP to the individual that was not placing the primer in the bolt correctly, hoping that would cure the problem he was reporting. + all three of these problems were fixed when the poster was shown how to load primers in a Mountaineer... Had it been an Extreme it would have worked great. I have yet to see one 100yd group from anyone on here who "bought" one. |
Originally Posted by Omega45
(Post 3843214)
What I am saying is I have 3 Encore Bergara barrels and they all shoot! I take what the so called Pro's say very lightly. I not only listen but I buy and test and reach my own conclusions.
From what little I have seen of the new Knight Mountaineer I am not impressed. Primers sticking, bolts not closing, sending wrong bolt/bp with gun. I have yet to see one 100yd group from anyone on here who "bought" one. |
Originally Posted by chetmarks
(Post 3843243)
I guess I will try to get a 100 yard group from the Mountaineer just for you.I have 7 Encore barrels and they are all shooters.I have 1 Bergara barrel and it shoots Ok but the rifling came so rough that when cleaning it it left little pieces of patching in the rifling.
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Originally Posted by Grouse45
(Post 3843224)
Buy what you want and shoot what you want.
What does a Knight Mountaineer have to do with a Bergara barrel? If you don't like what you see or hear then don't buy one. Isn't that the obvious thing to do? FYI- Did you ever wonder why T/C made a fixed barrel Pro-hunter? :lmao: BTW- It's impossible to send a wrong bolt with a Mountaineer. And i know of none of the information you are saying. So it's obvious, you don't find out info on your own and you listen to others or make up stories for attention. |
i do so love them cheap cva barrels, especially the Wolfs barrel shooting blackhorn and powerbelt aerolites at 100 yards.
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Originally Posted by Omega45
(Post 3843247)
So the Knight Mountaineer uses the same bolt for NFPJ and FPJ? I know of one that was bought for NFPJ and when it arrived it was set up for FPJ. Why should you know of all the problems? Are you VP of Knight rifles? Your quote of ruining a good muzzleloader was your way of saying Knight is the Best. You may say it wasn't but a lot of us know what you ment.
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3843250)
i do so love them cheap cva barrels, especially the Wolfs barrel shooting blackhorn and powerbelt aerolites at 100 yards.
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Originally Posted by sabotloader
(Post 3843240)
Actually probably should thank you for bringing up those problems and they were problems. But:
If you would go back and read the later posts I think you would find that the individual told us that he was loading the primer wrong and then crushing it in the primer pocket. He did not know that were rails in the nose of the bolt the primer was suppose to go in. And of course that would also not allow the both to close. Once in awhile operator error needs to be considered. I do not remember anyone saying that got the wrong bolt/bp so you must have read that one someplace else, so I am unable to comment on that one. But it does seem like it would be awful tough to do since the bolts are different for the Extreme and the Mountaineer. The only thing I remember is Knight sending a new bolt and BP to the individual that was not placing the primer in the bolt correctly, hoping that would cure the problem he was reporting. + all three of these problems were fixed when the poster was shown how to load primers in a Mountaineer... Had it been an Extreme it would have worked great. I would be my guess they will start showing up as the folks that have them start shooting them. Of course then you have to wonder how many of the ones that have em, belong to one of these forums??? No story telling here Grouse. Your funny when you get mad. :lolabove: |
That group was with my Wolf which basically is a Bergara but they skip the multi honing process to keep the price tag down on the rifle.
This is the Accura v2 with the true Bergara barrel from 150 yards with 120gr BH209, crush rib and 260 harvester scorpion pt gold.  Another Bergara on the Apex with 100gr BH209, 295gr powerbelt @ 100 yards with an old man behind the rifle ;)  |
Originally Posted by Grouse45
(Post 3843252)
You have no clue about what you are saying. You dream things up for attention. The T/C triumph is an awesome ML. It was a heck of alot better then the Encore, and 2 or 3 prohunters I owned. I helped design the bolt and breech plug for the mountaineer that's why I know. And I also have a friend at Knight rifles that keeps me in the loop. I can't comment on your post's anymore because it clearly shows how much you don't pay attention.
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3843261)
That group was with my Wolf which basically is a Bergara but they skip the multi honing process to keep the price tag down on the rifle.
This is the Accura v2 with the true Bergara barrel from 150 yards with 120gr BH209, crush rib and 260 harvester scorpion pt gold. Another Bergara on the Apex with 100gr BH209, 295gr powerbelt @ 100 yards with an old man behind the rifle ;) |
Originally Posted by Omega45
(Post 3843247)
So the Knight Mountaineer uses the same bolt for NFPJ and FPJ? I know of one that was bought for NFPJ and when it arrived it was set up for FPJ.
He did call me on the land line to talk about his decisions - I did not really go along with his decision totally as I would have gone with the NFPJ-- but the key point as I told him it is your descision not mine or ours + you can always order the gear need to make the other switch. Why should you know of all the problems? Are you VP of Knight rifles? Your quote of ruining a good muzzleloader was your way of saying Knight is the Best. You may say it wasn't but a lot of us know what you ment. Bolts and Plugs No, Steve they are different... Both the bolt and the BP that go in the Mountaineer will not work in a Extreme and what works in the Extreme will not work in the Mountaineer. The Extreme uses the old standard combination bolt for FPJ and NFPJ with a primer adapter and uses a newly designed BP for BH compatibilty... Both the FPJ and NFPJ have had modifications to the BP to enhance the ability to shoot and sustain shooting BH. The Mountaineer requires a different bolt for NFPJ and FPJ + defferent BP's. Both are available from Knight you can order which ever one you want standard with the purchase + you can by the other if you want to have both ignition systems. I thought some of your questions were directed at me - maybe not - just providing some information... |
Originally Posted by sabotloader
(Post 3843274)
I think and I do not know as you say for sure... but the guy purchased (ordered) the original gun at a gun show in his home town (was actually looking for a new shot gun at the show). At the show he ordered a NFPJ and then later called Knight and changed it to a FPJ, even changed the color of the stock, as he believed it suited his needs better.
He did call me on the land line to talk about his decisions - I did not really go along with his decision totally as I would have gone with the NFPJ-- but the key point as I told him it is your descision not mine or ours + you can always order the gear need to make the other switch. I really do not, I am just a bit familiar with the two case you are pointing out... I sure wish I were but no I am not - actually wouldn't mind owning some stock if they sold stock. Both of you are with to sensitive to what each of you say... Both of you need to move on - it is what it is - and you are both dragging a thread down that has nothing to do with what the thread was about. Bolts and Plugs No, Steve they are different... Both the bolt and the BP that go in the Mountaineer will not work in a Extreme and what works in the Extreme will not work in the Mountaineer. The Extreme uses the old standard combination bolt for FPJ and NFPJ with a primer adapter and uses a newly designed BP for BH compatibilty... Both the FPJ and NFPJ have had modifications to the BP to enhance the ability to shoot and sustain shooting BH. The Mountaineer requires a different bolt for NFPJ and FPJ + defferent BP's. Both are available from Knight you can order which ever one you want standard with the purchase + you can by the other if you want to have both ignition systems. I thought some of your questions were directed at me - maybe not - just providing some information... |
Ooooh so theres more than one person that got the wrong order eh? LOL
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Originally Posted by Grouse45
(Post 3843224)
FYI- Did you ever wonder why T/C made a fixed barrel Pro-hunter? :lmao:
Why did Knight come out with the Mountaineer.... It is just an improvement to the Disc rifle... I actually had thought about buying a new Knight but your attitude and knowing that you have a in with the company just rubs me the wrong way.... your a mouth that thinks you are more than you are... |
fixed barrel pro hunter, just another new market tool so you dont have to jack with an FFL and all the shipping hassle. Nothing wrong with that.
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Originally Posted by INRecordBookBuck
(Post 3843294)
Was that supposed to be some kind of bad mouthing?? Why does any one come out with a new gun??? To drive more talk and more buyers....
Why did Knight come out with the Mountaineer.... It is just an improvement to the Disc rifle... I actually had thought about buying a new Knight but your attitude and knowing that you have a in with the company just rubs me the wrong way.... your a mouth that thinks you are more than you are... |
Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3843299)
fixed barrel pro hunter, just another new market tool so you dont have to jack with an FFL and all the shipping hassle. Nothing wrong with that.
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3843299)
fixed barrel pro hunter, just another new market tool so you dont have to jack with an FFL and all the shipping hassle. Nothing wrong with that.
Hey Jon, He wont answer me.....:lmao: will you ask him why Knight brought out with the Mountaineer? I mean with his thinking isn't it just an overpriced Disc Extreme.... Not really enough of a difference kinda like his reference to the encore vs. the triumph... oh does that only apply to TC.... Please let me know what his answer is....:lmao: |
cuz they could charge more for it of course!
Im sure the KP1 doesn't have the encore issues cuz its not a tc :D |
Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3843312)
cuz they could charge more for it of course!
Im sure the KP1 doesn't have the encore issues cuz its not a tc :D I knew it had to be something like that.... just couldn't put it together, as you did!!! |
Since an American, Ed Shilen got involved with Bergara barrels the quality is excellent.there M/L barrels are one of the best made as far as accuracy is concerned.T/C barrels like the one on my triumph will shoot excellent also, after you clean them up and work the rough spots out.as i have said in the past, if a person wants a barrel that will shoot any type of bullet accurately ( full bore lead and non lead and saboted bullets). then a knight with a GMB is the way to go. Ray
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3843312)
Im sure the KP1 doesn't have the encore issues cuz its not a tc :D |
The visions "ugly" issue is enough for me lol.if they plan on bringing it back a new stock design is in order.! Ray
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Originally Posted by INRecordBookBuck
(Post 3843320)
I knew it had to be something like that.... just couldn't put it together, as you did!!!
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I am getting tired of everyone disrespecting my Sidekick!!!
I know they don't make 'em anymore, but oh hell... :sign0004::sign0004::sign0004::sign0004::sign0004: |
Originally Posted by builder459
(Post 3843332)
The visions "ugly" issue is enough for me lol.if they plan on bringing it back a new stock design is in order.! Ray
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