Yep,better be careful.having an avatar like that just might get you classified as a shill in this day and age :happy0157::happy0157:

The 250 grain I believe is fine for deer. Some people even shoot them with smaller projectiles like a 200 grain.

I was shooting some Lehigh 200 grain .40 caliber and just for fun I shot a 1/2 gallon milk jug at 100 yards. The jug was of course filled with water. I could not believe it, but I had just little chunks of that jug left down range. That really impressed me, and that's not easy to do. I think that would make just an excellent little deer bullet. I was pushing it at 110 grains of Triple Seven (as Grouse once suggested to me.. thanks) and I would not be afraid to shoot a deer at 200 yards with that at all. Maybe I am wrong. But I think bullet design plays a big factor as well as shot placement in determining what kind of wound will happen.

It's a Barnes. Here is what I use. It's the muzzleloader version made by Barnes for Thor.

http://thorbullets.com/

That is a Barnes/Knight SpitFire and i actually dont recommend them. Ive seen them fail to expand and expand poorly because of the tiny hollow point and not enough fps. If you want to try one get the 245gr version. Most of those reviews are positive. I like the Expander MZ, XPBs or the TAC-TSX 300gr made for the 458 SOCOM much better.

Traditions has a deal on these for $7.99/15 and they are proven killers over a wide fps range, Plus very well made.

Traditions PLR aka Parker Ballistic Extreme 275gr

Those Barnes had trouble expanding. Unlike the Thors.

250gr Thor for me as well. Deer, elk, bear, antelope, it will do it all out to 200 yards.

might have to try these out.... I like the price!

Go to their website. They are under the specials but i would call them. I hate the online ordering. Shipping wasnt cheap for 150 at $13.95 so check that too. You might have to order more if the shipping is the same as mine....just to get the cost down.

I think they ship with MMP HPH12s which should be ok since they are smaller OD than most 45cal bullets. Parkers ship with those or the MMP short.

It really is not that simple, you load and your capabilities enter into it. As a general rule the construction of the bullet would have as much to do with it as the weight. Then we get into velocity some guns are capable of much more pressure and controlling the with than others. The loads I use with some bullets in my Encore Endeavor would probably shock you but the only other guns that are capable of that kind of pressure are the Knight [the old ones I have not tested the new ones] the White and the Savage. But to get back to the point if a bullet starts out at 2300 FPS say a 250 gr with a good BC it ends up with enough Foot lbs of energy that it can do a job that the same bullet stating out at the more normal 1700 or 1800 FPS is less than capable of.

lemoyn...What set up are you using to get 2,300 fps out of a muzzleloader???