sabotloader

I have 2 bottles coming - but doesn't do much good to talk about it until i get it and I am not sure when that will be. My dealer is ordering directly from Alliant Powders as part of an additional order...

Someone go to Allinat Powder and look at the MSDS for the powder.. What do you think???

Semisane

Been there/done that. Ignition temperature is pretty low. Should work well in any caplock and maybe even flinters.

All of those nasty precautionary words about handling seem a little extreme, but are probably necessary to satisfy Uncle Sam. Lots of standard smokeless powders have the same kind of stuff on their MSDS.

Grouse45

I have shot a lot of it already. It does not replace BH209 in my inlines. Flintlock or #11 it might be great for???? I have no interest in trying it in those.

My local sporting goods store is getting alot of gear to test and it's free. I shot the powder in there Endeavor two different times at the range. The chrono readings they got are not with Bh209 and 250grn bullets.

I will say, i did not witness those test's but they have been pretty accurate so far. The powder is pretty cheap and some might like it. I did not buy any. Actually i ordered more Bh209.

Muley Hunter

That's why I said except price. I know it will be cheaper than BH. Hell..what isn't?

As for using in sidelocks? I'm sure it will work fine. The old Black Mag3 did. For me though. Real BP belongs in a sidelock, and I need to smell sulfur.

txhunter58

Originally Posted by txhunter58
Not sure what you mean "except price" Sounds like they are pricing it to sell at $22 per POUND, not 10 oz. Although due to weight differences, there may be roughly the same number of shoots per bottle.

Sabotloader said:

Probably not... no more than BH is that much more inergetic than T7.


I was thinking BH 209 is around 68 gr (weight) for 100 gr volume. And I thought I read that Black MZ was going to be fairly close to 100 gr (weight) for 100 gr volume.

So I deduced that even though Black MZ comes in a pound, there might be about the same shots per bottle. Are my figures or logic flawed? Can't find the actual data, so I might me mistaken?

Muley Hunter

I'm not too concerned with it being cheaper. (to a point) I just want it to shoot in all my guns, and clean up with water.

Plus, it has to be available at my local gun shop. He hates stocking BH 209. I'm the only one who buys it.

I live in a funny area. All the ML hunters use either Pyrodex/T7 and Powerbelts. So, guess what the gun shop has lots of?

sabotloader

Not sure you are mistaken when considering weight... I do not use weight I am all volume.

It would seem odd that Black MZ would weigh and measure both at a 100 - but I really do not know.

I have always gone by the volume numbers I know i have to match volume for volume between T7 and BH to get simular numbers. And I know when I am using BH for testing - it goes one heck of a lot faster than does T7.

So I think this is correct...

All by weight

1 lb ='s 7000 grains --> 77 grains T7 per shot equals 90 shots
10 oz's ='s 4375 grains --> 68 grains BH /shot ="s 64 shots

1 lb of BH (if you could get it that way) would equal 102 shots

When we get a weight measurement for Black MZ, we can do the same math and calculate that one also.

Gm54-120

The last weight i saw on the last version was 102grW=100grV for BlackMag. We don't know if Alliant used the same formula. They might have even used a coating to make it less hygroscopic.

I should know within a few weeks. Grafs will have it by the 19th and mine should arrive close to that date also. Even if the weight is the same, $23lb is still cheaper than i pay for T7 or Swiss.

mitchmtm1

My big question is will this be OK out of my Black Diamond with an open breach or is it a problem like BH?

I would love to try something a little cleaner than T7.


Mitch

Muley Hunter

It should work fine if you're using T7 now.

I doubt it will be much cheaper or cleaner than T7. You think T7 is dirty? Ever try black powder, or even Pyrodex?