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iawalleyeguy 07-04-2011 09:22 AM

New to site and muzzleloading
 
I have just purchased a TC Triumph the black and Blued model, I Know I will have to take good care of it, are there any products you can recomend for cleaning?What is a good load I should start with I would like to try BH 209 what primers should I use with the BH209?

cayugad 07-04-2011 09:25 AM

Welcome to the forum. As for loads.. there are Triumph shooters that I am sure will share their secret loads. That is a great rifle from all I have read on it.

Muley Hunter 07-04-2011 09:27 AM

Good deal on the blued barrel. I've been using them since to 50's with no problems.

A load around 100 gr of BH 209 will be good. Some like 110gr, but I feel 100gr will do the job.

I like Butch's Bore Shine to clean out BH 209. It has a strong smell, but that stuff doesn't bother me. It also cleans out copper fouling really well.

Anyway, have fun here. Lots of smart guys here. Welcome to the forum.

50calty 07-04-2011 10:09 AM

I use 90 grains of BH209 with a winchester209 primer. As for bullet and sabot combo you have alot of options. I would first use the Harvester Crushed rib sabot. Most Triumphs like them and they are easy to load. As for bullets anything in the .451 or .452 pistol dia. will work. I use the 300 grain XTP MAG, but other use Speer Deep Curl and others. As for cleaning I use the TC17 Products. They seem to do the job really well. With my load I can shot a inch group at 100 and 2 to 2.5 at 200 yards. Topped my off the a Nikon Omega Scope. Havn't looked back yet.

lemoyne 07-04-2011 11:22 AM

I think very highly of my Triumph. 110 or 120 shoot most sabot loads, normally the Win 209 sold for reloading fits the best and eliminates any blowback around the primer which makes the gun easy to clean if the win 209 fits to tight then the Rem STS. In mine I use the FPB 350 gr Hornady conical with 90 gr it has shot 1 inch groups for me, I use it where I must use a conical. The bullets I get the best groups from are the 200gr Shock Wave 50/40, the 250 gr Lehigh, the 250 gr Shock Wave [I use the bonded for hunting they shoot the same POI as the cheaper yellow tip] and last but far from least is the 250 gr Gold Dot or Deep Curl [name change]. The Triumph shoots a wide range of bullets when set up right but these work best for me.

iawalleyeguy 07-04-2011 06:51 PM

I like what I am hearing guys keep the ideas comming!What is the best corrosion protection product for a blued barrel?Conicals?I've been told the QLA barrel doesn't do so hot with conicles!And I have also read that Winchester primers are too long for the triumph!HMMM!Is this site another AT!

MountainDevil54 07-04-2011 06:59 PM

Dynatek Bore Coat is the best protection against rust & corrosion. Its not an oil but a glue like mixture that you coat your bore, let it sit over night and then fire a total of 40 shots through. This special glue contains particles of Ceramic that embed into the steel of the gun, sealing it up tight from corrosion and rust. Never have to oil the gun again.

Muley Hunter 07-04-2011 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3821238)
Dynatek Bore Coat is the best protection against rust & corrosion. Its not an oil but a glue like mixture that you coat your bore, let it sit over night and then fire a total of 40 shots through. This special glue contains particles of Ceramic that embed into the steel of the gun, sealing it up tight from corrosion and rust. Never have to oil the gun again.

Oil is cheap compared to wasting 40 Thors, plus whatever that Bore Coat cost.

MountainDevil54 07-04-2011 07:17 PM

$25 for both the bore coat and gun coat.

Try it Muley! You dont have to worry about the first shot being off. It truly is some darn good stuff.

Muley Hunter 07-04-2011 07:24 PM

Errrrr.........................maybe.

Semisane 07-04-2011 07:46 PM


Dynatek Bore Coat is the best protection against rust & corrosion. Its not an oil but a glue like mixture that you coat your bore, let it sit over night and then fire a total of 40 shots through. This special glue contains particles of Ceramic that embed into the steel of the gun, sealing it up tight from corrosion and rust. Never have to oil the gun again.
For the life of me I can't understand how fouling from the first shot does not become embedded under the magic ceramic particles that embed with the second shot (and each succeeding shot).

MountainDevil54 07-04-2011 07:58 PM

The ceramic has to dry over night at least. Once thats all set up you fire 10 shots with copper plated bullets and hot charges, you shoot and get the barrel as hot as possible as it helps set up the ceramic even more. After the 10 shots, fully clean the bore and then just go about firing another 30 shots as you normally do.

arcticap 07-04-2011 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by iawalleyeguy (Post 3821233)
What is the best corrosion protection product for a blued barrel?

Nothing is better than Eezox Gun Care at preventing corrosion anywhere it's applied on a gun. A container costs about $5 and it can be found at most gun shops.

http://www.eezox.com/gun-care.html


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pluckit 07-06-2011 05:21 AM

EEZOX< sold in 39 states, and Maryland isn't one of them. GREAT!

gman57 07-06-2011 09:57 AM

I do believe I will be ordering some of this after reading about it and price is very reasonable.

50calty 07-06-2011 06:27 PM

Another is by Montana Xtreme Products. Called Bore Conditioner. I know Cayguard has started using it and so have I. All my guns now have it coated inside. Just havn't shot any of them yet to see if it works. But Cayguard says it works.


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