I have yet to see a company put more cerosote (or whatever it is) than T/C.

I figured thats what it was from your first post. Even my encore 204 ruger barrel took quite a bit of elbow grease to get out.

The bad news is its dangerous centerfire rounds. Because most people just go and shoot. I know a few people who asked me why its so hard to remove brass from thier encore first time they shot. I explained they were over pressure.

I just remembered something. When I was trying to get the packing oil out of my Omega I had gone through a can of brake cleaner and was still getting some crud that looked like rust. At that point I had tried every cleaner I had except one.

I had bought a used Renegade and it came with a box of stuff. One of the items was a bottle of Cabelas black powder cleaner. It was a green color ans some sort of citrus. I'm not a fan of Cabelas anything for my BP guns, and had just left it in the box.

With nothing to lose I soaked a patch with it and ran it down the bore. To my surprise I got a lot of the oil from the bore. Another wet patch and some dry patches, and the bore sparkled. I have no idea what was in that Cabelas cleaner, but it sure cut through that oil. I have to wonder if I had used it from the beginning how it would have done.

Sorry I forgot about this.

I always use JB bore cleaner. It seems to clean anything, even heavy leading.

I think he tried that. That TC oil is made by the devil.

I used a whole lot of JB's.

As for the Cabelas cleaner, I've seen it there before and I've almost bought it on more than one occasion just to try, but I figured it was probably watered down water or something. Maybe I'll have to try it next time I'm there.

For removing all types of fouling and packing grease or whatever it is they use in new rifles, Kroil oil and Jb's will remove it. when i got my triumph i couldn't get it cleaned up the way i wanted it, so i called a friend of mine that builds rifles and he asked me to bring it to his house.i had some JB paste i brought along. he took a scotch brite pad applied kroil and smeared some JB paste on it. 50 strokes later and 1 more patch it was spotless.he then took a sythetic brush with kroil on it and told me that would remove any left over JB paste. followed it with a couple more patches and had a nice shiny smooth barrel.Midway sales kits that contain kriol/JB since this is what most rifle builders use when working on new and used rifles. midway also has a video on this subject. Ray

There was a lot of old stuff in the box. It might not be available anymore. It was citrus though. Maybe some other citrus cleaners might work.

A few months back Cabelas had .45 caliber shooting / cleaning kits marked down to $14.00. I bought one because it came with 20 SST's and they nornally run $12.00 a box by themselves. There was a bottle of the Cabelas blackpowder cleaner in the kit. I will have to give it a try as I just threw it on the workbench thinking it was junk.

Muley the secret is the Kroil oil, it along with JB will remove about anything one can have in a barrel. when my friend gets a new or used gun in. the first thing he does is apply some Kroil to the barrel and lets it set awhile wipes it out, then applies kroil an JB both.if it's real bad he uses a stiff synthetic brush with kroil first, followed by JB/Kroil.his son uses the same exact method and he builds high dollar rifles. bottom line is it works excellent. Ray

If you don't have Kroll around, Liquid Wrench works just fine.