Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3789500)

Hornady screwed up when they dropped the .50 caliber 410 grain flat point Great Plains bullet and kept the 385 grain hollow point. The heavier flat point was a great bullet. I put a lot of deer down with them and they never failed me. I won't use the 385 hollow point on deer.

Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3789514)

To a degree your right, but then again your not out there with 120 gr bh either lol.70-80 gr pyrodex and a 460 gr bullet is about the same as 110 gr bh 209 and a 300 gr bullet!to be honest with you, i am bored with the saboted bullets out of my Triumph. just about every saboted bullet i have shot out if it drives tacks,except the 300 gr deep curls :confused0024:. shooting the little Knight wolverine with conicals seemed to make it fun and challenging again.i am seriously considering going that direction to be perfectly honest.don't be suprised if you see my Triumph up for sale and me looking for a .45 White or a .45 Knight. maybe the wolverine sparked the old days with the renegade .54 and conicals.when you see people on the no excuse sight regularly taking game out to 225 yds with the big lead and peep sights. i say to myself, now that's a challenge! Ray

Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3789515)

Whats crazy is the fact that its just a tiny hollow point and yet it still is enough to make a big chunk of lead like that explode.

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3789468)

builder,

They also drop like a rock at distance, and kick like mules.

Fast lighter bullets suit me better.

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3789539)

Wait a minute. Those ballistics aren't impressive for such a heavy bullet.

Look at the Thors at 200 yds for FPE.

These are approximations based on "0" 100 yards
yards muzzle 50 100 150 200 250 300

250 gr BT
vel 2200 2019 1849 1690 1545 1413 1294
drop -1.5 0.3 0 -2.79 -8.52 -17.72 -31.25
energy 2687 2263 1898 1586 1325 1109 930


yards muzzle 50 100 150 200 250 300

300 gr BT
vel 2030 1884 1747 1619 1501 1391 1292
drop -1.5 0.45 0 -3.25 -9.66 -19.86 -34.39
energy 2746 2365 2034 1747 1501 1289 1112

Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3789538)

ahhhhhh fly fishing. Thats something i do want to get into. But dang are them rods and reels expensive.

Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3789547)

Muley the 300 gr is a excellent choice for obvious reasons.do you think the deer or elk that get's hit with a 300 gr saboted bullet or a .460 conical cares about how long it took the bullet to get there? dead is dead my friend, plain and simple! i just want to have fun and make it a challenge. and i can't complain about the overall reduced cost in shooting either to be totally honest! Ray

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3789539)

Wait a minute. Those ballistics aren't impressive for such a heavy bullet.

Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3789517)

I totally agree semi..seems that soft leaded hollow point traps tissue and tears the bullet up rather than expanding.i always used the maxi balls in the .54 renegade..Ray

Originally Posted by sabotloader (Post 3789396)

Gm54-120

I have never really had an interest in the PT's, I have assumed they were an upgrade to the Power Belt. And I realize there are a lot of people that use the Power Belt very succwssfully but it is not a bullet that I would use - I was hoping the the PT's were better and they probably are, but still not tough enough for my applications.

GM how thick is the copper plating that is applied to the lead core.

Also I have been told that a lot of folks like the Ranier bullets in their pistols. But I am thinking they use them at less velocity...

Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3788938)

I took the V2 out to the 50 yard range to see how high it shot, at 153 yards i was 2 1/2" high, at 50, i was 2" high! I thought it was a fluke and so i took one more shot, right into the same hole with half a bullet width sticking out the side.

Reloading, i took aim at my big cheeto jug " bulk kind from sams club" I did my usual cement like mixture as its very tough of bullets + the sticky sand wraps up the bullet and makes it easier to find.

Squeezed a shot off and i swear, it was like having shell shock! That heavy 30lb bucket of wet sand jumped straight up into the air and flew back a good 2 feet.

I went to inspect it and recover the bullet, half the face of the jug was blown off and when i picked it up, there was a nickel size hole in the back of it.

I havent had one bullet go through this set up before until today. So the story of these bullets blowing up into tiny pieces is entire BS!

As for the " i could kick myself statement" I KNEW i should have got this one on video! It truly was a sight to see that big jug just lift off the ground.

I used 110gr Blackhorn209, 260gr Harvester PT Gold.

Once i can get a few 5 gallon buckets i will do the test over again but with a safety bucket behind the first for added insurance.

Originally Posted by sabotloader (Post 3789552)

I get them from Dan for about $22 a box of 50 that has got to be 1/2 the cost of Barnes and you use less powder and with BH you would use even less. $$$ in your pocket to shot more with...

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3789567)

Is this the same bucket of sand? You were only using 90 gr of Goex for the Thor in this test. You had 110 gr of BH for the PT. Have you tried the Thor with 110 gr of BH?

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthr...g_Thor_bullets