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Muley Hunter 03-08-2011 10:39 AM

Scorpion PT Gold + Omega
 
I just got my sample from Harvester. They sent me the PT 260 gr, and some 270 gr Sabertooth, because he knows i'm in Colorado. He didn't know I don't shoot the ML season here, so sabots are ok for me.

I did try the Sabertooth down my bore, and they're too loose. Much looser than a Powerbelt. I wouldn't trust them to hold a tight pressure on BH 209.

However, The PT Gold fit perfect. A nice steady pressure from muzzle to powder. I'm going out to shoot up the sample now. I just got the BH 209 too, and i'll try 100gr. I'm interested in what the recoil will be. I might go to 110gr if it's not too bad.

I see no reason why the PT won't work for me. I've read too many good reviews to think otherwise. I'll shoot these then order the bullets in bulk, and the crush rib sabots. I didn't figure it exactly, but the bullet and sabot come out to about .60 cents. Pretty good compared to the rest. Especially for a bullet that I want to shoot no matter what the price was.

Ok, it's windy, cold, and snowing, but i'm going. ..........Laters.

builder459 03-08-2011 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3783766)
I just got my sample from Harvester. They sent me the PT 260 gr, and some 270 gr Sabertooth, because he knows i'm in Colorado. He didn't know I don't shoot the ML season here, so sabots are ok for me.

I did try the Sabertooth down my bore, and they're too loose. Much looser than a Powerbelt. I wouldn't trust them to hold a tight pressure on BH 209.

However, The PT Gold fit perfect. A nice steady pressure from muzzle to powder. I'm going out to shoot up the sample now. I just got the BH 209 too, and i'll try 100gr. I'm interested in what the recoil will be. I might go to 110gr if it's not too bad.

I see no reason why the PT won't work for me. I've read too many good reviews to think otherwise. I'll shoot these then order the bullets in bulk, and the crush rib sabots. I didn't figure it exactly, but the bullet and sabot come out to about .60 cents. Pretty good compared to the rest. Especially for a bullet that I want to shoot no matter what the price was.

Ok, it's windy, cold, and snowing, but i'm going. ..........Laters.

I also have read a lot of good reviews on the PT gold.100 gr is a good place to start.i am thinking about buying some 300 gr PT golds soon.. Ray

Rogo 03-08-2011 01:11 PM

I shoot only PT Golds in my Accura. Thats all I shot in my Omega also. They are an extremely accurate bullet. 1" groups or less in both rifle with either the 260gr or the 300gr. They also have a 240gr PT Gold if you wanted a lighter bullet. Accuracy is the same. I shoot 110gr BH209 in both rifles with CR sabots. Recoil is nothing to be afraid of unless you have a very tender shoulder. I am 70 years old and the recoil is mild in my opinion.

Muley Hunter 03-08-2011 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Rogo (Post 3783816)
I shoot only PT Golds in my Accura. Thats all I shot in my Omega also. They are an extremely accurate bullet. 1" groups or less in both rifle with either the 260gr or the 300gr. They also have a 240gr PT Gold if you wanted a lighter bullet. Accuracy is the same. I shoot 110gr BH209 in both rifles with CR sabots. Recoil is nothing to be afraid of unless you have a very tender shoulder. I am 70 years old and the recoil is mild in my opinion.

Well, it turned out pretty good. I'm going to stick with it. I like everything I used today. I'll sight it in when I get the scope and my order from Harvester. I'm sticking with the 260 gr, because i'm concentrating on Muley's this year.

Yeah, I have a bum shoulder. 100gr is ok, and I might go to 110gr. I'm closing in on 69 years old.

builder459 03-08-2011 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by Rogo (Post 3783816)
I shoot only PT Golds in my Accura. Thats all I shot in my Omega also. They are an extremely accurate bullet. 1" groups or less in both rifle with either the 260gr or the 300gr. They also have a 240gr PT Gold if you wanted a lighter bullet. Accuracy is the same. I shoot 110gr BH209 in both rifles with CR sabots. Recoil is nothing to be afraid of unless you have a very tender shoulder. I am 70 years old and the recoil is mild in my opinion.

Good to hear there as accurate as advertised.how is the terminal performance? Ray

Muley Hunter 03-08-2011 02:19 PM

I expect bang flop to 200 yds.

Rogo 03-08-2011 02:23 PM

Shooting 200 yards I would go with the 300gr. More energy left at 200 yards with the 300gr. Nice to see another senior citizen still doing it in the woods. LOL!
Try the 300 with 110gr BH209, it might work better for you at 200 yards especially on a mulie. Only have whitetail here in Vermont but I believe a muley is much bigger.

Omega45 03-08-2011 02:25 PM

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Muley Hunter,

Glad you like the PT's. They are an accurate bullet and you do not bust a vein in the forehead seating them with the crush rib sabot. I have shot some of my best groups on paper with them but never got the opportunity to shoot any deer with them. I gave a friend some of the 300gr PT's at the range last Saturday and he loved how they grouped.

Let us know how they work out when you get her scoped up. What scope are you going with?

Here is a 3 shot 100yd group with my Pro Hunter w/ Encore Bergara barrel with the 300PT's.

Muley Hunter 03-08-2011 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Omega45 (Post 3783847)
Muley Hunter,

Glad you like the PT's. They are an accurate bullet and you do not bust a vein in the forehead seating them with the crush rib sabot. I have shot some of my best groups on paper with them but never got the opportunity to shoot any deer with them. I gave a friend some of the 300gr PT's at the range last Saturday and he loved how they grouped.

Let us know how they work out when you get her scoped up. What scope are you going with?

I'm experimenting with scopes. I want to try a fixed scopes. I'd rather not spend a bunch of money on my experiment. So, I ordered a Simmons Pro Diamond 4x32. I'll hunt this spring/summer for coyotes to see how it does.

If it works out i'll buy a good fixed scope. If it doesn't i'll buy a good 3x9. The Simmons was $40 at Natchez, so i'm not out much if it doesn't work.

Omega45 03-08-2011 02:45 PM

I got a few Whitetails hanging on the wall that were wacked with a Rem 870 slug gun that had a Simmons Pro Diamond 4X riding on top of it. Its a good scope, I would just want a little more zoom out to 200yds but that's me....I like to zoom in.

Muley Hunter 03-08-2011 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Rogo (Post 3783846)
Shooting 200 yards I would go with the 300gr. More energy left at 200 yards with the 300gr. Nice to see another senior citizen still doing it in the woods. LOL!
Try the 300 with 110gr BH209, it might work better for you at 200 yards especially on a mulie. Only have whitetail here in Vermont but I believe a muley is much bigger.

I was going to until I saw the specs at 200 yds. Check this out with T7 powder. BH 209 can only be better.

T7 powder 110 gr 260 gr PT Gold

Muzzle... 2025fps/2365 fpe
100yd....1680fps/1625fpe
200yd....1395fps/1125fpe

That's plenty for Muley's

To compare with 300gr

T7 powder 110gr 300gr PT Gold

Muzzle.........1995fps/2640fpe
100yd..........1670fps/1885fpe
200yd..........1400fps/1305fpe

No doubt the 300gr has more power, but I consider it an elk load, and a bit overkill for deer.

At 200yds the 260gr is shooting flatter. I'd prefer to have that over more fpe.


With that said. I'll try the 300gr and see if I like it.

Muley Hunter 03-08-2011 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Omega45 (Post 3783855)
I got a few Whitetails hanging on the wall that were wacked with a Rem 870 slug gun that had a Simmons Pro Diamond 4X riding on top of it. Its a good scope, I would just want a little more zoom out to 200yds but that's me....I like to zoom in.

I say 200 yds, but i'm certainly going to try to get closer. I'd rather not take a 200yd shot, and maybe i'm limiting my distance with the 4x scope to prevent a long shot. First thing to do is see how accurate i'll be with the setup.

Josmund 03-08-2011 07:01 PM

T7 powder 110 gr 260 gr PT Gold

Muzzle... 2025fps/2365 fpe
100yd....1680fps/1625fpe
200yd....1395fps/1125fpe

That's plenty for Muley's

To compare with 300gr

T7 powder 110gr 300gr PT Gold

Muzzle.........1995fps/2640fpe
100yd..........1670fps/1885fpe
200yd..........1400fps/1305fpe

No doubt the 300gr has more power, but I consider it an elk load, and a bit overkill for deer.

At 200yds the 260gr is shooting flatter. I'd prefer to have that over more fpe.


With that said. I'll try the 300gr and see if I like it.[/QUOTE]

Muley Hunter,

I'd check those velosities with your gun and your load. I've shot the 300's with 100 of T7 and was in 1700 - 1750 range on the Chono.

My Z5 Omega loves the 300's with a Crushed Rib. While I don't have the pictures of the bullets terminal performance ( The bullet picture that is ) I can tell you they're 2 for 2 on deer. My groups tightend up when I went up to the heavier bullet.

Muley Hunter 03-08-2011 07:17 PM

I got those figures from Harvester, so they may be exaggerated.

In another thread I talked about switching to elk. I've always hunted both elk and deer in the past. I was going to hunt just deer, but I think hunting just elk will be better.

So, I will be using the 300gr PT Gold. Probably better in case I run into a grumpy bear too.

I guess I should increase the powder to 110 gr too. Good thing I installed a Simms Limbsaver recoil pad. The Omega pad was terrible.

edit..Just had a thought. They probably used T7 3F for the test. Is that what you're using? 2F will be slower.


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