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flint head 02-14-2011 02:19 PM

Range trip with the Vision...
 


Had a chance to get to the range today to sight in my new Vision. I had to wait in between 20 mph wind gust to shoot, but I'm pretty tickled with the way it shot... 100 grains of BH 209, 300 grain Barnes Expander MZ in a HPH 24, and a CCI 209m. Three shots at 100 yards measured just under one inch.

rt_con 02-14-2011 02:41 PM

Very nice ! I don't have one, but one of my hunting buddies does but hasn't shot it yet.

Are you using the original breech plug ? How was the blow back ?
Maybe it was the Knight "Shadow" where Knight offered a replacement plug for BH209.

Anyway nice looking rifle... good luck with it.:cool2:

flint head 02-14-2011 02:58 PM

It has the new carrierless plug that works great with BH. Blow back is reduced fairly well with this plug but it does have a little that escapes into the action.

kb1 02-14-2011 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by flint head (Post 3773389)
It has the new carrierless plug that works great with BH. Blow back is reduced fairly well with this plug but it does have a little that escapes into the action.

nice shooting.
my friends and my vision are both blowback free.we both shoot win.209 primers(the longest).the vision,shadow and kp1 can all use the same plug.the flat face plug that came with the vision has been 100% reliable for me using blackhorn......karl

cayugad 02-14-2011 05:27 PM

very nice shooting there.

falcon 02-14-2011 05:36 PM

Congrats on some fine shooting.

Gm54-120 02-14-2011 05:46 PM

Very nice

I still have hopes for a new Vision model with a few improvements. I don't really want one but IMO its almost good enough to compete against most cheaper break actions. The hammerless design and "centerfire" style safety have a lot of potential with good marketing.

Get Lehigh to make them a good clean breach plug and add a trigger of typical Knight quality and you got a home run. Add a multi ML barrel package and you got a grand slam. :D

quake 02-14-2011 10:12 PM

I think the Vision had/has ALOT of potential. It seems like every Vision i have read about has shown great accuracy in the range reports. It's a shame it didn't catch on any more than it did. I like the unique hammerless design. I wish somebody(Warne, Durasight, or Weaver GrandSlam) would make a nice one-piece scope mount base for the Knight break-actions.

gregrn43 02-15-2011 02:58 AM

Nice group

rafsob 02-15-2011 03:49 AM

I have the same setup as you and get the same results. However, I don't use the same load. I am using 95 grs. of BH209 and the Hornaday 350 gr. FPB bullet.



I recently got my hands on some of the 300gr. FPB. I think I will take them to the range tomorrow and give them a try. :happy0001:

I only have one complaint on the Vision. The butt stock is too long. I will have to cut it down an inch. Aside from that, I love it.

builder459 02-15-2011 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 3773445)
Very nice

I still have hopes for a new Vision model with a few improvements. I don't really want one but IMO its almost good enough to compete against most cheaper break actions. The hammerless design and "centerfire" style safety have a lot of potential with good marketing.

Get Lehigh to make them a good clean breach plug and add a trigger of typical Knight quality and you got a home run. Add a multi ML barrel package and you got a grand slam. :D

GM you hit the nail on the head,don't reinvent the wheel,just improve on the design! great looking rifle and accurate to boot... cmon Knight you can do it!:happy0001:

sabotloader 02-15-2011 12:00 PM

I posted this over on MM in response to a Vision thread so i thought I would carry it over here....

Omega45
First of all you have to remember that i am not a break open fan at all... but, back in June Tom sent me his Vision to try out and also to reduce the LOP.

When I first open the box and removed the gun - I remember my very first thought was... " this not an ordinary inexpensive gun". The weight and feel of the gun made it feel like a real ML. Probably mostly due the GM barrel and breech.

Here is a picture of the gun as I got it.



This particular gun was equipped with the new NFPJ breech plug that Gordy had redesinged for the Vison. I was suppose to be BH compatible and clean in the Vision. The short time that I had it, I would totally agree with that statement. For some reason I did not take a picture of that plug, but it is what started me on my quest to replicate the plugs working design in my DISC rifles. The flame channel was opened to something like 5/32", the flash hole had been opened to 0.030" and was on the end of the plug as far away from the nose of the primer as they could get it.
It had two weaknesses in my mind... the finishing procedure of the the hinge and the trigger. Both were functional and strong but...

The hinge is really built durable - right along the lines of my Browning trap guns. The only problem i found was at times the gun would not lock up correcly not allowing the hammer to hit the firing pin. This was an extremly easy fix and just a matter of Knight getting a little better handle on 'quality control' at that point.

The trigger is a spring trigger without any adjustement, but even at that it was a really nice pulling trigger. I did have a bit of creep and grit in it, but hunting you would never know, after all this is a hunting rifle not a target rifle.

Because of the shotgun shape of the reciever and the LOP it does not really lend itself to the easiest scope mounting to get the proper eye relief... Even then this could be beat by using extended rings and mounting them rear-ward. To solve the problem Tom decided to remove a portion of the stock and decrease the LOP.

Decreasing the LOP - the Knight stock on this gun does have a hollow butt stock but has plenty meat to allow cutting and installation of a new recoil pad.



This is a picture of the breech area after 22 shots shooting a sight in target. You can not call it perfectly clean but it certainly is cleaner than I expected...



And it appears that it is a really good shooting rifle, if this sight in target is any indication....



Even though I am not a break open fan this gun certainly has possibilities... especially because of a normal safety, making the pulling back of a hammer un-necessary, + the fact that there is not an exposed hammer. I have a new Triumph that I rarely use just becuase of the break action and the exposed hammer under the scope.

Omega also posted this picture asking about this part - i have never seen it before in a Vision... I looks like an extractor of some sort but can not figure why?



Found it... it is for extracting a FPJ... I it is hand operated...


The fold-down flap extractor must be pulled back by hand; then the "fired' jacket falls clear. It felt clumsy and slow to me-and is unlikely to improve with gloved fingers. The red plastic jacket that I feel is a very good idea in Knight bolt-actions is just an unnecessary complication in a break action. I don't see how anyone with even a small amount of muzzleloading experience could have gone this route.

kb1 02-15-2011 12:22 PM

thats an extractor for the red plastic jacket model


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